This is OT for this thread, but Tiger has said in interviews that his family is so important to him, implying that he actually is a good family man. No he didn't state that he was a faithful husband, but his public image was carefully crafted to show a man who was great in every area of his life.
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This is OT for this thread, but Tiger has said in interviews that his family is so important to him, implying that he actually is a good family man. No he didn't state that he was a faithful husband, but his public image was carefully crafted to show a man who was great in every area of his life.
You are right it is off topic. I didn't introuce Tiger to this thread, just trying to get some clarification on a post that was in the thread
. I haven't been following the Tiger situation too closely and wondered if I'd missed something. I'm a lawyer, I don't know much about PR, marketing, image consult. etc, but I think that most public figures from Tiger to President ***** have public images that are carefully crafted. Having been married to a public figure IMO there is definintely a distinction to be made between public persona (often driven and cultivated by handlers) and private individual (inherent to the person), I don't see that distinction as a per se lie. Also I don't know him personally or know of him as a family man, so I just can't presume that his family is not important to him. Anyway Roo, Nathansgirl those are great points about the handling of the Sheen incident vs. Tiger incident. I was saying to my Mother a few days ago that it was troubling that Charlie Sheen was alleged to have done something that arguably could be considered attempted murder (at least the version I heard on the news) and there did not seem to be anywhere near the media blitz/outcry that has been directed at Tiger Woods.
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i don't think this will effect his career at all, people accept this kind of behavior from charlier sheen. his name alone implies an a-hole. frankly any woman who would marry him knows what she is getting into, it is a trade off for wealth and fame.
he is a creep, but what kind of mother is legally drunk at 8am on christmas? none that i know, or have ever met.
he is a creep, but what kind of mother is legally drunk at 8am on christmas? none that i know, or have ever met.
I agree that what Charlie did was worse, he's been physical w/ his loved ones. He has a history of being a completely douchebag, a LOOONGG history of it.
I have no idea why anyone watches his show and lines his pockets w/ money, I sure as h&ll don't!
I do know why my DH has always loved Tiger though and buys tix to see him, wears TW logo golf wear, etc. . . we've always been HUGE TW fans in this house, even my 3 little ones know who he is.
I can't speak for the media and I won't try. I can only speak for moi, and I was far more surprised about TW than Charlie. I think shock factor is a big component to how some people feel about the 2 stories.
*I'd have never guessed in a meeeellion years TW would have gotten himself into this sitch, but I could've easily predicted Sheen's*
The shock of TW is wearing off for me and to be honest, the media doesn't really even cover it anymore
I have no idea why anyone watches his show and lines his pockets w/ money, I sure as h&ll don't!
I do know why my DH has always loved Tiger though and buys tix to see him, wears TW logo golf wear, etc. . . we've always been HUGE TW fans in this house, even my 3 little ones know who he is.
I can't speak for the media and I won't try. I can only speak for moi, and I was far more surprised about TW than Charlie. I think shock factor is a big component to how some people feel about the 2 stories.
*I'd have never guessed in a meeeellion years TW would have gotten himself into this sitch, but I could've easily predicted Sheen's*
The shock of TW is wearing off for me and to be honest, the media doesn't really even cover it anymore
Charlie Sheen is not what you would call 'marriage material'. I am not at all surprised that a man with drug and alcohol problems who also has been violent with women in the past would have done something like this.
I think part of the reason not as much attention is being paid to this is for two separate reasons:
-- he has a better PR team than Tiger did (probably because they have been through this thing with him before, while Tiger's haven't) AND
--people are burnt out on the Tiger Woods freakshow, so they are just turning a deaf ear to this.
I'm not saying the other reasons that have been mentioned aren't correct, just those kind of popped into my head.
I definitley think threatening to kill your wife is a hell of a lot worse than cheating on your wife with a host of 'women'.
I think part of the reason not as much attention is being paid to this is for two separate reasons:
-- he has a better PR team than Tiger did (probably because they have been through this thing with him before, while Tiger's haven't) AND
--people are burnt out on the Tiger Woods freakshow, so they are just turning a deaf ear to this.
I'm not saying the other reasons that have been mentioned aren't correct, just those kind of popped into my head.
I definitley think threatening to kill your wife is a hell of a lot worse than cheating on your wife with a host of 'women'.
I believe Tigers career will survive.
People have short memories and it has nothing to do with race.
Tiger has stated numerous times how family means everything to him and comes first. He has preached to kids everywhere he makes appearances how important a good character is and how kids should have good moral values. THAT is how he lied in my eyes. Kinda' "don't do what I do, do what I say". Not right.
I sympathize with Elin because I don't think she knew how Tiger really behaved on his own. Maybe she did? I don't know. If she did, then she is reaping what they have both sewn. But I'm thinking she didn't. Again, I don't know.
On the other hand...
Its hard to be sympathetic to anyone Charlie Sheen hooks up with because they go into a relationship with him knowing what his track record is. And I don't know of any other "endorsement" he's gotten other than Hanes underwear. And thats kindof "appropo" isn't it? If there is anything he knows, its underwear. And who appears in the commercials with him? Michael Jordan. Another pillar of society.
People have short memories and it has nothing to do with race.
Tiger has stated numerous times how family means everything to him and comes first. He has preached to kids everywhere he makes appearances how important a good character is and how kids should have good moral values. THAT is how he lied in my eyes. Kinda' "don't do what I do, do what I say". Not right.
I sympathize with Elin because I don't think she knew how Tiger really behaved on his own. Maybe she did? I don't know. If she did, then she is reaping what they have both sewn. But I'm thinking she didn't. Again, I don't know.
On the other hand...
Its hard to be sympathetic to anyone Charlie Sheen hooks up with because they go into a relationship with him knowing what his track record is. And I don't know of any other "endorsement" he's gotten other than Hanes underwear. And thats kindof "appropo" isn't it? If there is anything he knows, its underwear. And who appears in the commercials with him? Michael Jordan. Another pillar of society.
You are right it is off topic. I didn't introuce Tiger to this thread, just trying to get some clarification on a post that was in the thread
Apologies if I came off sounding critical. The two of them seem to end up in the same conversations a lot! The TW thread is amazingly long.
I agree with those who say Charlie's rep is well-known; his troubles have been well-documented. TW, on the other hand had us believing he was way different than we are learning. But with all his money, Tiger's team has been the poster child for bad crisis management.
a celeb at his level comes to believe they are untouchable. and I truly believe his "handlers" believed this as well - they probably never saw this coming....thought the public would be duped forever.
right. I thought it was common knowledge that he wasn't husband material. Doesn't he mess around with prostitutes?
total trashbag
I knew when I saw him with this new woman back when Denise was making all those allegations and they played that message of him cursing her out that the new chick was in for a ride.
Hanes drops ads featuring Charlie Sheen
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100107/ap_on_bi_ge/us_charlie_sheen_hanes_12
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. – Hanesbrands Inc. has ended its advertising campaign featuring Charlie Sheen because of domestic violence charges filed against the actor, a company spokesman said Wednesday.
Spokesman Matt Hall said the seriousness of the allegations against the 44-year-old actor made the decision necessary.
"It's a pretty standard, straightforward call when somebody who's in your commercials is arrested on suspicion of something of this magnitude," Hall said. "And we would suspend the ads both for the company and, really, for Mr. Sheen and his family as well. Given the publicity, it makes sense to not air those ads during that time."
Hall said the television ads were stopped effective Dec. 28, the first business day after Sheen was arrested. He said some print ads will continue to appear into the spring.
"Unfortunately, the production schedule of those publications do not allow us to pull those ads," Hall said.
The "Two and a Half Men" star was arrested in Aspen, Colo., on Christmas Day on charges including felony menacing and domestic violence. His wife Brooke Sheen told police he put a knife to her throat and threatened to kill her. Sheen denies the allegations.
His publicist Stan Rosenfield says the actor has no comment on the Hanes decision. Hanes is based in Winston-Salem.
Hall says Sheen wouldn't have been retained when his contract expired in the middle of the year. He says Sheen has been a pitchman for almost two years. Hall also said there would be minimal impact from pulling the ads.
"We have other commercials. We have commercials for our socks, and so we'll probably push those commercials some more," he said. "We really don't view the first half of the year as a marketing-critical time for the advertiser, so we don't think there's any detriment to the brand by not having the opportunity to run these ads if we wanted to."
The ads feature Sheen and basketball legend Michael Jordan, a longtime spokesman for Hanes. In the series, Sheen is seen in several settings telling Jordan about the Hanes underwear he's wearing. Jordan drives away from Sheen in one of the ads; in another spot, Sheen backs his car over a bellstand and an outdoor heater after seeing Jordan in a parking lot.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100107/ap_on_bi_ge/us_charlie_sheen_hanes_12
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. – Hanesbrands Inc. has ended its advertising campaign featuring Charlie Sheen because of domestic violence charges filed against the actor, a company spokesman said Wednesday.
Spokesman Matt Hall said the seriousness of the allegations against the 44-year-old actor made the decision necessary.
"It's a pretty standard, straightforward call when somebody who's in your commercials is arrested on suspicion of something of this magnitude," Hall said. "And we would suspend the ads both for the company and, really, for Mr. Sheen and his family as well. Given the publicity, it makes sense to not air those ads during that time."
Hall said the television ads were stopped effective Dec. 28, the first business day after Sheen was arrested. He said some print ads will continue to appear into the spring.
"Unfortunately, the production schedule of those publications do not allow us to pull those ads," Hall said.
The "Two and a Half Men" star was arrested in Aspen, Colo., on Christmas Day on charges including felony menacing and domestic violence. His wife Brooke Sheen told police he put a knife to her throat and threatened to kill her. Sheen denies the allegations.
His publicist Stan Rosenfield says the actor has no comment on the Hanes decision. Hanes is based in Winston-Salem.
Hall says Sheen wouldn't have been retained when his contract expired in the middle of the year. He says Sheen has been a pitchman for almost two years. Hall also said there would be minimal impact from pulling the ads.
"We have other commercials. We have commercials for our socks, and so we'll probably push those commercials some more," he said. "We really don't view the first half of the year as a marketing-critical time for the advertiser, so we don't think there's any detriment to the brand by not having the opportunity to run these ads if we wanted to."
The ads feature Sheen and basketball legend Michael Jordan, a longtime spokesman for Hanes. In the series, Sheen is seen in several settings telling Jordan about the Hanes underwear he's wearing. Jordan drives away from Sheen in one of the ads; in another spot, Sheen backs his car over a bellstand and an outdoor heater after seeing Jordan in a parking lot.