Chanel’s Rise & STALL: Defects, Difficulties & Deflection (formerly the 19 tote saga thread)

[880]

That would explain the introduction of cosmetics, the proliferation of pop-ups with lower-priced merchandise, and the choice of more hip locations for new boutiques

Agree with everything you have said.

am a regular person and if I did buy a Chanel bag, it would be a big deal

you are in good company here

Thanks to @TraceySH I mustered up the courage to take my 19 on vacay, seeing that it is made of Teflon (j/k, kinda). It made it through TSA multiple times, food truck meals, daily touring and shopping excursions and still looks fabulous. Wore it mostly crossbody. No signs of cracking or peeling anywhere. Go forth with your 19s (not tote)!

I do the same with my so black mini chevron reissue, but I’m thinking of buying @TraceySH ’s 19 model.

If anyone thinks that they have even a passing thought toward one word said about the brand on here, I hate to be the bearer of bad news.

Yep; any discussion is good.

I use my lambskin all the time. If I scratch it, it just takes a little Meltonian 001 and a soft cloth & boom, perfect.
New caviar isn’t even sustainable to use.

+100 re lambskin bags and clothes. I do think when VCs get involved, profit, not quality becomes the priority

 

[bergafer3]

I had my SA put a duma backpack on hold for me and decided against to purchase it because of the leather too, it smelled and felt funny. I just had the strong gut feeling that it'll give me headache in the near future. My mom has a vintage version and hers is soo squishy with the nice leather smell despite it being nearly 30 year old!

Yes! It felt different than other lambskin Chanel’s I’ve had in the past. I need my leather to smell like leather, if a 30 old bag still has leather smell a brand new one should.

 

[ntntgo]

The other thing that makes people really want something is when they can't get it. Well, Chanel has created that perfect storm.

Resellers are not the only reason quota's were cut back but it sure sounds good. interestingly enough, Hermes thrives on the reseller philosophy.

Some believe any press is good press because they are talking about you. Well, here we are.

That last line is 100%. “Here we are”

In order for them to say that this thread is defamatory, they’d have to prove it and I guarantee you that going down that road of evidentiary support is not one they want to go down. That would require expert opinions, or anecdotal evidence & I would love that.

Good luck to them in proving the validity of their claim of defamation. I’d love them to have an expert take the bag apart. I know of one who has already had to do it for Chanel in order to actually sell the bag & it was not good news.

 

[TraceySH]

That last line is 100%. “Here we are”

In order for them to say that this thread is defamatory, they’d have to prove it and I guarantee you that going down that road of evidentiary support is not one they want to go down. That would require expert opinions, or anecdotal evidence & I would love that.

Good luck to them in proving the validity of their claim of defamation. I’d love them to have an expert take the bag apart. I know of one who has already had to do it for Chanel in order to actually sell the bag & it was not good news.

Oh I want to hear more about that story!!! And you’re right. In order to prove something, you’d have to disprove something else. Not something they’d want to to.

 

[Chanello_ShopGirl]

I’m absolutely not mistaken.

Actually, you are. Sorry! The double CC logo was not introduced until the 1980s. It was introduced by Karl Lagerfeld. The 2.55 bag was created in February 1955, and had a Mademoiselle turn lock, and no leather woven chains. I just read two books about the history of Chanel (which were official/authorized). Further, the Re-issue only refers to bags that were recreated in February 2005. All other bags of this style are just the 2.55 (but people still call them the Re-issue).

 

[gail13]

Throw the new hefty European price increase into the mix, as we discuss materials and processes that are not what we thought they were.

Classic flap small 7750€ – after increase 8450€
Classic flap medium 8250€ – after increase 8990€
Classic flap jumbo 8900€ – after increase 9700€
Prices are expected to increase 5% on all other leather categories and RTW, shoes etc.

 

[rainbowneko]

Throw the new hefty European price increase into the mix, as we discuss materials and processes that are not what we thought they were.

Classic flap small 7750€ – after increase 8450€
Classic flap medium 8250€ – after increase 8990€
Classic flap jumbo 8900€ – after increase 9700€
Prices are expected to increase 5% on all other leather categories and RTW, shoes etc.

Today Jap also increased its prices as well

sources: momoland_tokyo, xiaohongshu

 

[gail13]

Today Jap also increased its prices as well

source: momoland_toko

Not surprising. I know with each price increase they think they will capture more buyers, trying to find exclusivity.

 

[Chanello_ShopGirl]

You’re forgetting I also referred to usage in those statements. To someone with discerning attention to detail and extensive bag experience I believe that comparison can me made, yes. And even to those that don’t, I still believe it. But there are a lot to people who haven’t been around luxury and can appreciate it fully until they’ve had experience with it.

What you’re not understanding about what I’m saying is there are people who blindly buy who don’t appreciate the way things are made, so they’ll just go in and buy a bag because of the name. They may never have owned a luxury bag at this point. They’ll think it’s nice but know nothing about what they purchased or what the material means in relation to wear, etc. They just purchase without even remotely educating themselves.

I have friends who like luxury but don’t purchase the way I do. They purchase because they like it and what the brand means to them. But do they all examine the design and quality like I do? Not at all. There are very few of my friends who purchase luxury who do. They just don’t have passion for or value design, bags, luxury goods and materials the way I do, which is how I found myself on TPF as a teenager. A lot of people really can’t tell you in detail the difference between a regular contemporary bag and a designer because they’re not passionate about it or aren’t detail oriented in regards to that kind of stuff.

I totally get what you’re saying, and I agree. I know people who want to own luxury items just because of the brand/name, but actually know nothing of the history of the brand; which is okay, I suppose. But, what’s worse, is they know nothing of the material or truly anything about the quality of the item - again, they just go by the name. I, on the other hand, like to know as much as possible about what I’m buying. It’s so important to be as informed as possible, especially when spending thousands of dollars on things.

I have enjoyed this thread - and have enjoyed reading your opinions!

 

[Chanello_ShopGirl]

Of course.. the last time I did this amount of research was when I bought a Canon DSLR to make sure I understood the specs, never doubted it's quality. With a classic bag, I though all I had to worry about was how it looked on me, never thought that the quality expectations from this brand would be an issue.

It’s definitely not acceptable! I hope you find one that you love! You should absolutely be happy with what you’re purchasing, especially at these prices! I research everything that I purchase. It doesn’t matter the price or the brand. And I’ve learned the difference between a “me” problem (aka I’m being too picky, and no one else would notice any issues) vs. an actual problem/flaw/defect. I can always get over the “me” problems with an item; but you never get over the issues that are due to defects or manufacturing errors. If I’m going to buy a Chanel bag (or anything really), I would like to be the one to scuff the inside of the bag with my items (it gives the bag a story and history)…I’d rather not buy a brand new bag with the scuff marks already inside.

Good luck with your search!

 

[ntntgo]

Throw the new hefty European price increase into the mix, as we discuss materials and processes that are not what we thought they were.

Classic flap small 7750€ – after increase 8450€
Classic flap medium 8250€ – after increase 8990€
Classic flap jumbo 8900€ – after increase 9700€
Prices are expected to increase 5% on all other leather categories and RTW, shoes etc.

They use price harmonization as the excuse. That’s their go-to explanation for every price increase, globally. Either they don’t understand the purpose of moving from value-based pricing to harmonized pricing or they think we don’t.
All of the luxury brands who have moved to price harmonization in the last 11 years have done it for two reasons. Either they are stabilizing their pricing to go e-comm or to sell.

Anyone willing to pick up a book and educate themselves or who has been watching the Chanel trends over the last 5 years, can easily see that it’s likely the latter. However, Hermes dipping their toe into the e-comm arena with bags, some of which are quota bags, makes me think we might see Chanel start doing the same. Especially with the ”VIP boutiques” being announced. Notice it’s in quotes. They already exist within the current boutiques.

Regarding the EU price increase, it has no effect on residents of the EU countries as they don’t buy Chanel anyway, only expats. I noticed that the prices weren’t raised in Switzerland or Norway or Denmark or pick any country that’s part of the EU but doesn’t use the Euro. All of those countries’ currency are at the same rate against the USD. I‘ve also heard nothing about a price increase in the UK. That’s will give us way more insight to what their real endgame is. If any of our UK members here know differently, please chime in.

 

[waixoxo]

They use price harmonization as the excuse. That’s their go-to explanation for every price increase, globally. Either they don’t understand the purpose of moving from value-based pricing to harmonized pricing or they think we don’t.
All of the luxury brands who have moved to price harmonization in the last 11 years have done it for two reasons. Either they are stabilizing their pricing to go e-comm or to sell.

Anyone willing to pick up a book and educate themselves or who has been watching the Chanel trends over the last 5 years, can easily see that it’s likely the latter. However, Hermes dipping their toe into the e-comm arena with bags, some of which are quota bags, makes me think we might see Chanel start doing the same. Especially with the ”VIP boutiques” being announced. Notice it’s in quotes. They already exist within the current boutiques.

Regarding the EU price increase, it has no effect on residents of the EU countries as they don’t buy Chanel anyway, only expats. I noticed that the prices weren’t raised in Switzerland or Norway or Denmark or pick any country that’s part of the EU but doesn’t use the Euro. All of those countries’ currency are at the same rate against the USD. I‘ve also heard nothing about a price increase in the UK. That’s will give us way more insight to what their real endgame is. If any of our UK members here know differently, please chime in.

The price increase in UK happened last night at the same time as Euro countries. I didn't hear anything of it either but the website has changed all the bag prices

 

[ntntgo]

The price increase in UK happened last night at the same time as Euro countries. I didn't hear anything of it either but the website has changed all the bag prices

Thank you. They are stealthy aren’t they? I think I speak for everyone here in asking those of you in countries that don’t use the Euro in EU countries to chime in as well.
The price increase in the UK is quite telling as to where the Wertheimers are headed.

 

[Tina1010]

It’s definitely not acceptable! I hope you find one that you love! You should absolutely be happy with what you’re purchasing, especially at these prices! I research everything that I purchase. It doesn’t matter the price or the brand. And I’ve learned the difference between a “me” problem (aka I’m being too picky, and no one else would notice any issues) vs. an actual problem/flaw/defect. I can always get over the “me” problems with an item; but you never get over the issues that are due to defects or manufacturing errors. If I’m going to buy a Chanel bag (or anything really), I would like to be the one to scuff the inside of the bag with my items (it gives the bag a story and history)…I’d rather not buy a brand new bag with the scuff marks already inside.

Good luck with your search!

Thank you so much! Yes I finally found the one over the weekend. Lucky #7! Ha! It's almost perfect, no defects as far as my eyes can tell! It was brand new fresh in the box too which makes me even happier!!

 

[papertiger]

Actually, you are. Sorry! The double CC logo was not introduced until the 1980s. It was introduced by Karl Lagerfeld. The 2.55 bag was created in February 1955, and had a Mademoiselle turn lock, and no leather woven chains. I just read two books about the history of Chanel (which were official/authorized). Further, the Re-issue only refers to bags that were recreated in February 2005. All other bags of this style are just the 2.55 (but people still call them the Re-issue).

I think we discovered (thread on this forum) there was a bag in the 1970s that had the CC catch already (from a vintage photo), it was just launched big-time in 1983. Prob KL found the model in the archives. Looking at the timeline it sound the most likely, project concept, development and realisation of accessories is quite a long process and KL only joined 1982.