Chanel RTW ~ Reveals, Chit-chat & Info thread

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Reasons to alter from Shoulder. Maintains the original proportions of the jacket, including sleeve pitch, shape, and buttonhole placement and functionality. The sleeve seams remain aligned with the original jacket design.
But it’s more complicated to achieve a seamless result and much more costly and labor intensive.

Alteration from the sleeve is faster; less costly. Although button functionality may be lost, this type of alteration may be necessary for two reasons :

1) if you wish to alter more than a couple of inches. Altering more than that from the shoulder isn’t recommended.

2) sometimes one needs extra circumference in the upper arm. (alteration from the shoulder may tighten the upper arm area).

Chanel tailors (and experienced third party) mainly alter from the shoulder. If a garment needs to be taken in, it’s my understanding that the tailor will open up all the seams and take a bit from each rather than simply the sides. There can be up to eight seams with ample seam allowance in a Chanel jacket which is why some garments can be adjusted up or down.

The chain weights are a PITA. Once functional, now decorative, they have to be cut or partially snuggled into the lining, and they are sewn back in by hand

ETA: in some garments (like some Hermes jackets) the sleeeves cannot be altered via the shoulder (no seam, like a dolman sleeve) or the sleeve has details like a zip run up most of the arm. Or, both. One of my dream pieces, a runway piece was like that. Also, as in another piece, if a printed silk pattern has a border, this can also be very difficult to shorten bc too much is lost and cannot be pieced together.

In men’s tailoring, some of the most beautiful jackets are without lining or have a half lining to preserve the shape. This is bc full lining can hide a messy interior. A jacket with entirely visible seams has to be finished perfectly.

Forgot to add that when some of our Chanel RTW members have the torso adjusted to allow for a slimmer or more ample chest, this can affect the sleeve. My tailor told me that if this changes the shoulder pitch, the sleeve may have to be removed and rotated. Not sure of the exact logic behind it, as I thought rotation must be due to posture. But, I visualize the wings of a large roast chicken :)

I also believe, (from losing weight and having jackets let out and then taken in) that the pattern and ratio of the sleeve measurements to torso from size 36/38 greatly differ from size 40 plus. Bc there are some jackets where the shoulder might be raised to shorten, but the sleeve also has to be released a bit or taken in. I assume that my tailor gives me this info in large part so he can justify the final bill lol 😂
 
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Hmm must sleeves be taken in at the shoulders to shorten them? I wonder if taking in at the shoulders is the more “proper” way of doing it. In my country the tailor almost always shorten them at the hem, then they will move the button up and that becomes a “fake button” as there will not be a matching button hole, since that would have been taken away when the sleeves are shorten from that end. Hope that makes sense.
I have had this happen only once and on a 2023 jacket. The sleeve was too narrow at the top so the sleeve had to be shortened at the bottom. There was only one buttonhole and I decided to live with it and just lose the buttonhole and re-attach the button. The focus was on the stye of the cuff it wasn't a big deal, but I was disappointed, and I attributed it to Chanel getting cheaper and cheaper with their seam allowances.
Forgot to add that when some of our Chanel RTW members have the torso adjusted to allow for a slimmer or more ample chest, this can affect the sleeve. My tailor told me that if this changes the shoulder pitch, the sleeve may have to be removed and rotated. Not sure of the exact logic behind it, as I thought rotation must be due to posture. But, I visualize the wings of a large roast chicken :)

I also believe, (from losing weight and having jackets let out and then taken in) that the pattern and ratio of the sleeve measurements to torso from size 36/38 greatly differ from size 40 plus. Bc there are some jackets where the shoulder might be raised to shorten, but the sleeve also has to be released a bit or taken in. I assume that my tailor gives me this info in large part so he can justify the final bill lol 😂
I know that with a couple of my very first jackets, I had the armhole lowered/released and there was fabric to do it. I have heard complaints from other people that Chanel is trying to save money by using less fabric and that does impact alterations.
 
Reasons to alter from Shoulder. Maintains the original proportions of the jacket, including sleeve pitch, shape, and buttonhole placement and functionality. The sleeve seams remain aligned with the original jacket design.
But it’s more complicated to achieve a seamless result and much more costly and labor intensive.

Alteration from the sleeve is faster; less costly. Although button functionality may be lost, this type of alteration may be necessary for two reasons :

1) if you wish to alter more than a couple of inches. Altering more than that from the shoulder isn’t recommended.

2) sometimes one needs extra circumference in the upper arm. (alteration from the shoulder may tighten the upper arm area).

Chanel tailors (and experienced third party) mainly alter from the shoulder. If a garment needs to be taken in, it’s my understanding that the tailor will open up all the seams and take a bit from each rather than simply the sides. There can be up to eight seams with ample seam allowance in a Chanel jacket which is why some garments can be adjusted up or down.

The chain weights are a PITA. Once functional, now decorative, they have to be cut or partially snuggled into the lining, and they are sewn back in by hand

ETA: in some garments (like some Hermes jackets) the sleeeves cannot be altered via the shoulder (no seam, like a dolman sleeve) or the sleeve has details like a zip run up most of the arm. Or, both. One of my dream pieces, a runway piece was like that. Also, as in another piece, if a printed silk pattern has a border, this can also be very difficult to shorten bc too much is lost and cannot be pieced together.

In men’s tailoring, some of the most beautiful jackets are without lining or have a half lining to preserve the shape. This is bc full lining can hide a messy interior. A jacket with entirely visible seams has to be finished perfectly.
I have had them shorten at the shoulder and if it's going to be too tight on the upper arms (which is a problem I do sometimes have because apparently I have freakishly big upper arms for my size), they simply open the armhole wider at the bottom and claim it's an easy fix.
 
I’m a true size 34 in Chanel. Would a 36 in this particular cardigan fit me? How was the fit of this? Small or TTS?
This second release of the turnlock cardi was sized quite small so many clients took one or even two sides up from their regular. I tried on 34 (my normal size) and it was very fitted on me, I would hazard a guess and say size 36 would be a safer choice for both of us. Hope this helps!
 
So many interesting insights regarding alterations and loving the discussion, perhaps I should suggest taking in at the shoulders next time and see what they say. I’ve always felt somewhat a little disappointed that the button had to be a fake one without the button hole.
 
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