Beyoncé & Jay Z

[AChanelADay]

I'm starting to this was her father. Tina picked him even though her family disapproved. And even more telling, she chose another dark man after him. That isn't something she would have done if she were obsessed by color. And since Papa Knowles went away, so has much of the Creole talk

I do believe that if you did one of those genetic tests that Tina would have a huge percentage of European blood. But I think people thought that Blue would take after her mama's family because Daniel did. But everyone is forgetting that Daniel's father is half white.

I never really thought Miss Tina had colorism issues.

 

[ByeKitty]

Creoles in the US are mainly just mixed people in the South who were descendants of the French, their African slaves and maybe some Native American. Mainly concentrated around modern day Louisiana bc that is where the French concentrated. Creole was actually recognized a class around that time and they enjoyed more rights than they would when Americans took over. But most of the Creole women were concubines for the rich white landowners. I remember reading once there was a law passed that black/Creole women had to wear their hair covered bc they used their hair as a means of seduction and the white women felt threatened by it.

But Creoles can look like anything. They can look like that guy who "passed" as white his entire life and his kids didn't discover he was black until he died, or they can look noticeably black and everything in between.

...anyone correct me if I am wrong.

Ooh, interesting history. Thanks for the info!
One question, regarding your last sentence... If someone identifies and looks "white", isn't he considered "white" these days?

 

[Tivo]

that's funny bc most of the black people i know with blonde hair are not discernibly mixed--meaning both their parents identify as black....one parent might be from a long line of lite brites but in general most of the blonde hair or even blue eyed black folk i know and have seen are not directly mixed via parents of different mixture.

Genes are funny like that. You don't know if her dad has any white ancestry either. You can't always tell just by looking at folk.

+1

 

[berrydiva]

Ooh, interesting history. Thanks for the info!
One question, regarding your last sentence... If someone identifies and looks "white", isn't he considered "white" these days?

Nope, they are still considered black but I suspect that different experiences may come into play here and it would be dependent on which ethnicity dominates. However, people who "passed" didn't necessarily all identify as white; they instead took advantage of the fact that they were not seen as inferior but as equal. This would afford them the obvious benefits that come along with others thinking they were white. Many times people who were able to "pass" never confirmed nor denied what they were when it was assumed they were white.

 

[Tivo]

Beyonce doesn't have enough Caucasian in her blood to have been born with blonde hair, most of the women I know born with ash blonde hair have Caucasian mothers and black fathers,

Um...does she have ANY? Certainly doesn't look like it to me. When you have to reach back six generations to find it, well then maybe it's irrelevant. Just saying.

 

[charmesh]

Ooh, interesting history. Thanks for the info!
One question, regarding your last sentence... If someone identifies and looks "white", isn't he considered "white" these days?

No. My mom looks mexican but is black legally. I look black but am considered Hispanic. My kids are considered Hispanic. The assumption is that the youngest is a dark mexican until I come around. Then people wonder if he's mixed but he doesn't have "mixed" features. Then I open my mouth and he's mexican again. Everyone seems to think my oldest is Samoan but he's a big boned boy.

 

[jclaybo]

I think I am thinking of a sandy blonde, which I call ashy, lol. The kids in my fam that are born with blonde hair have this sandy blonde color with flecks of red. Its actually a quite hideous color that changes thankfully
Man I wish I could find a pic to show what I'm talking about but thats basically what I was referring to when someone was asking why Bey tries to fool people into thinking she was born a blonde
Then we started talking about the different blondes, then Creole/French and how Matt possibly played up on that to make her sound more interesting(which I agree with because when she 1st came out I swear she talked alot about being mult-racial which is cool but genes get diluted after awhile)

 

[charmesh]

um...does she have any? Certainly doesn't look like it to me. When you have to reach back six generations to find it, well then maybe it's irrelevant. Just saying.

+1

 

[jclaybo]

No. My mom looks mexican but is black legally. I look black but am considered Hispanic. My kids are considered Hispanic. The assumption is that the youngest is a dark mexican until I come around. Then people wonder if he's mixed but he doesn't have "mixed" features. Then I open my mouth and he's mexican again. Everyone seems to think my oldest is Samoan but he's a big boned boy.

sounds like my mother, except she has more Indian in her blood(I posted a pic of her dad a few months ago who looks like a better version of French Montana) he was half Indian/White and would often "pass" cause his father wouldnt want to get caught with mulatto kids. Now days its kind of hard to "pass"

 

[charmesh]

sounds like my mother, except she has more Indian in her blood(I posted a pic of her dad a few months ago who looks like a better version of French Montana) he was half Indian/White and would often "pass" cause his father wouldnt want to get caught with mulatto kids. Now days its kind of hard to "pass"

I remember that picture

 

[Ladybug09]

Not true. blonde hair can pop up in families with histories of mixing. I have a black grandparent, a Mexican grandparent, and 2 Afro Cuban grandparents. My ex is Mexican and my oldest's toddler hair was very red. I didn't even know I carried the red hair gene.

All of this. We have red hair on my Dad's side.

Ashe blonde: a color that does not occur in nature but is popular with women who can't let go of the blonde hair of their childhood. Also known as dirty blonde

lol!

that's funny bc most of the black people i know with blonde hair are not discernibly mixed--meaning both their parents identify as black....one parent might be from a long line of lite brites but in general most of the blonde hair or even blue eyed black folk i know and have seen are not directly mixed via parents of different mixture.

Genes are funny like that. You don't know if her dad has any white ancestry either. You can't always tell just by looking at folk.

all of this!

Creoles in the US are mainly just mixed people in the South who were descendants of the French, their African slaves and maybe some Native American. Mainly concentrated around modern day Louisiana bc that is where the French concentrated. Creole was actually recognized a class around that time and they enjoyed more rights than they would when Americans took over. But most of the Creole women were concubines for the rich white landowners. I remember reading once there was a law passed that black/Creole women had to wear their hair covered bc they used their hair as a means of seduction and the white women felt threatened by it.

But Creoles can look like anything. They can look like that guy who "passed" as white his entire life and his kids didn't discover he was black until he died, or they can look noticeably black and everything in between.

...anyone correct me if I am wrong.

The law was called the Tignon law, passed in 1786. Several complaints were with the exotic hairstyles the black women wore that attracted more attention than the white woman. Another complaint was that very fair skinned women of African descent were being mistaken for white women, and white men would flirt and marry them. It ended up backfiring on the white women though, because the bright colored head wraps were often adorned and drew even more attention to these beautiful black woman.

 

[Tivo]

All of this. We have red hair on my Dad's side.








lol!







all of this!





The law was called the Tignon law, passed in 1786. Several complaints were with the exotic hairstyles the black women wore that attracted more attention than the white woman. Another complaint was that very fair skinned women of African descent were being mistaken for white women, and white men would flirt and marry them. It ended up backfiring on the white women though, because the bright colored head wraps were often adorned and drew even more attention to these beautiful black woman.

I had never heard of this. That's kinda funny.

 

[Ladybug09]

I had never heard of this. That's kinda funny.

Girl, that's history for you!

 

[knasarae]

My nephew has red hair... it's an odd shade of dark red. No one on his dad's side has red, and only my great-grandmother had red. So it took 4 generations for it to show up again.

Genetics are funny.

 

[Thingofbeauty]

Um...does she have ANY? Certainly doesn't look like it to me. When you have to reach back six generations to find it, well then maybe it's irrelevant. Just saying.

Should also work with regard to black ancestry or any other but clearly it doesn't and I don't understand why.

I can't believe where this conversation has gone. All I will add is you can't tell race by how someone looks and in this day and age I can't believe this still needs to be said.

I also don't recall reading or hearing Beyonce claim she was a natural blonde, the way say Sofia Vergara claims and nobody is trying to hang her for. We've seen her with different colours and the blonde - WHEN IT IS DONE PROPERLY - does look good on her.

Is it boring at this point? Certainly. But jeez, in as much as we're critiquing her let's be fair.