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After reading a request above and the associated discuss on the item, I would like to add my own similar style / scenario with an in question Dooney & Bourke "Cavalry Trooper Bag", for authentication help.

I also found this one thrift shopping earlier this week, however it had a awkward / frayed tag which was a bit of a red flag. I purchased it anyway at a not so thrifty price, figuring if it is a fake, at least I can learn from my mistakes! Thank you.

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The bag is authentic.

Labels that are snipped, partially removed and/or removed to the extent that a few strings remain were usually bags that were sold at Dooney's outlet stores or liquidated to discounters such as Marshall's, TJ Maxx or the like.

The labels were altered to prevent full priced returns and usually items were covered by warranty.
 
The bag is authentic.

Labels that are snipped, partially removed and/or removed to the extent that a few strings remain were usually bags that were sold at Dooney's outlet stores or liquidated to discounters such as Marshall's, TJ Maxx or the like.

The labels were altered to prevent full priced returns and usually items were covered by warranty.

Oh, great news! Very much appreciate your time, help, and information. It is a really unique bag, just wish the interior didn't have the pen marks all over it, lol!
 
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Oh, great news! Very much appreciate your time, help, and information. It is a really unique bag, just wish the interior didn't have the pen marks all over it, lol!
The extent of my rehabbing ability is bathing and CPR'ing items but there are some miracle workers on the rehab and rescue thread on the Coach subforum. I bet you can get helpful advice on a Dooney there too.
 
Item: Dooney R39 Medium Tote?
Listing number: 138697191
Seller: goodwill
Link: http://shopgoodwill.com/item/138697191
Comments: Good evening Authenticators. I'm super interested in this listing but am having a rough time finding anything on a vintage "R39". The packaging makes me want to think it's real but the stitching on the duck patch and base of handles and absence of much info found on it makes me wonder if it's a fake. If/when you have the time could you please let me know what you think? Thank you!
 
Item: Dooney R39 Medium Tote?
Listing number: 138697191
Seller: goodwill
Link: http://shopgoodwill.com/item/138697191
Comments: Good evening Authenticators. I'm super interested in this listing but am having a rough time finding anything on a vintage "R39". The packaging makes me want to think it's real but the stitching on the duck patch and base of handles and absence of much info found on it makes me wonder if it's a fake. If/when you have the time could you please let me know what you think? Thank you!
I have a few comments.

I don't click QR codes so I don't know whether there are other pictures that aren't shown in the listing but if not, I question how a authentication service would guarantee authenticity of a bag without a full set of pictures.

  1. With the bag wrapped as shown, there's no way to know that the red, white and blue label are actually from that same bag.
  2. There aren't any pictures of the full bag, unpackaged and out of plastic
  3. Description of the bag (tote) doesn't appear to match the shape and style shown, which looks more like a satchel or a barrel bag (Not saying the label and packaging are fake, just that they seem off based on the pictures of the bag.)
  4. Need more pictures showing the full front, back, interior and pockets
  5. I wonder how they were able to attain pictures of the label without removing plastic, and if removed, why not more and better pictures.
Taking the individual pictures at face value, I don't see red flags but I certainly wouldn't buy from the listing as posted.

(The duck emblem and stitching on the patch don't pose a problem to me.)
 
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I have a few comments.

I don't click QR codes so I don't know whether there are other pictures that aren't shown in the listing but if not, I question how a authentication service would guarantee authenticity of a bag without a full set of pictures.

  1. With the bag wrapped as shown, there's no way to know that the red, white and blue label are actually from that same bag.
  2. There aren't any pictures of the full bag, unpackaged and out of plastic
  3. Description of the bag (tote) doesn't appear to match the shape and style shown, which looks more like a satchel or a barrel bag (Not saying the label and packaging are fake, just that they seem off based on the pictures of the bag.)
  4. Need more pictures showing the full front, back, interior and pockets
  5. I wonder how they were able to attain pictures of the label without removing plastic, and if removed, why not more and better pictures.
Taking the individual pictures at face value, I don't see red flags but I certainly wouldn't buy from the listing as posted.

(The duck emblem and stitching on the patch don't pose a problem to me.)

Thank you for so much for taking a look, BeenBurned! I appreciate you.

To me, it looks like they just opened/tore the top of the plastic enough to find the tag but I am with you on your concerns with it. I'm guessing they didn't want to remove it from packaging to not affect the value if they are assuming it's authentic.

I did got the the authentication service's QR code and unfortunately there aren't any further pics or info. I looked at their site to find their guarantee statement and oddly couldn't find one. There is a statement on the "authenticity certificate" though that basically says they aren't held liable for any losses - they make no guarantees (what a helpful service....lol). Probably one of the more flimsy authentication brands I've seen yet.

Was hoping you may know if a Dooney 'R 39' was ever made?
 
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Thank you for so much for taking a look, BeenBurned! I appreciate you.

To me, it looks like they just opened/tore the top of the plastic enough to find the tag but I am with you on your concerns with it. I'm guessing they didn't want to remove it from packaging to not affect the value if they are assuming it's authentic.

I did got the the authentication service's QR code and unfortunately there aren't any further pics or info. I looked at their site to find their guarantee statement and oddly couldn't find one. There is a statement on the "authenticity certificate" though that basically says they aren't held liable for any losses - they make no guarantees (what a helpful service....lol). Probably one of the more flimsy authentication brands I've seen yet.

Was hoping you may know if a Dooney 'R 39' was ever made?
That authentication site doesn't even allow its name to be mentioned on TPF. If mentioned, the forum software "*****'s out the name. I believe most authentication companies have some type of disclaimer to cover them in the even they make a mistake, but I'd think it's a pretty negligent to authenticate an item with a COA without a full set of clear and definitive pictures.

And this listing certainly doesn't have that!

Another thing is that from what I've seen, various Goodwill/ebay sellers as well as Goodwill.com listings use either Entrupy or the one shown in the COA of the listing you've asked about.

I have a folder of incorrect (and MANY!) Entrupy authentications as well as another folder with fewer errors, but errors nonetheless from the company in this Goodwill listing. Although I didn't find Dooney errors in my folders, I can't say that errors haven't been made.

I also know for a fact that Goodwill has had to take returns of fake Coaches that came with Entrupy COAs, yet neither Goodwill nor Entrupy seem to have adjusted their algorithms so these errors aren't made. Yet they're aware of errors and continue to use the IA software. :(

Personally, without a full set of good pictures, I'd avoid the listing. If goodwill is willing to open and remove the bag from the wrapping and will send more pictures, I'm happy to take a look.
 
That authentication site doesn't even allow its name to be mentioned on TPF. If mentioned, the forum software "*****'s out the name. I believe most authentication companies have some type of disclaimer to cover them in the even they make a mistake, but I'd think it's a pretty negligent to authenticate an item with a COA without a full set of clear and definitive pictures.

And this listing certainly doesn't have that!

Another thing is that from what I've seen, various Goodwill/ebay sellers as well as Goodwill.com listings use either Entrupy or the one shown in the COA of the listing you've asked about.

I have a folder of incorrect (and MANY!) Entrupy authentications as well as another folder with fewer errors, but errors nonetheless from the company in this Goodwill listing. Although I didn't find Dooney errors in my folders, I can't say that errors haven't been made.

I also know for a fact that Goodwill has had to take returns of fake Coaches that came with Entrupy COAs, yet neither Goodwill nor Entrupy seem to have adjusted their algorithms so these errors aren't made. Yet they're aware of errors and continue to use the IA software. :sad:

Personally, without a full set of good pictures, I'd avoid the listing. If goodwill is willing to open and remove the bag from the wrapping and will send more pictures, I'm happy to take a look.

I have limited knowledge for spotting fakes. Most everything I've learned, I have learned from you and other knowledgeable moderators/authenticators in these forums (thank you). And even with my limited experience/knowledge, I've spotted known fakes (mostly Coach) on Goodwill with Entrupy certificates. So if someone like me can spot some of thr more obvious fakes, you'd think Entrupy would, but I digress...lol.

I'm collecting purely for my own use and personal collection but I want to be confident those pieces are authentic. I like that you and other moderators educate on the importance of not allowing fakes to re-circulate into the market by selling, donating, etc. If I roll the dice and gamble on this bag's authenticity, I will most definitely be coming back to post detailed pictures. Thanks again for the time and expertise. Great discussion!
 
It's fake.

Is there a listing? Please refer to the first post on the first page of the thread for the information we need for authentications.
 
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It's fake.

Is there a listing? Please refer to the first post on the first page of the thread for the information we need for authentications.

Thanks for directing me to that post.

Yes, I saw it listed on Poshmark; link below. Someone said it was fake but seller called her a troll

 
Thanks for directing me to that post.

Yes, I saw it listed on Poshmark; link below. Someone said it was fake but seller called her a troll

Seller of the fake Dooney: cdnomaposher

And that's why I don't authenticate or recommend Poshmark as a safe site.

Poshmark has a dreadful history of allowing fakes to be sold, not responding or removing fakes when they're reported, denying claims when buyers receive a fake and file a dispute, even going to the extent (sometimes) of having the buyer send the fake item to the "authentication experts" at Poshmark where they STILL deem the item as authentic. And lastly, suspending honest sellers when their authentic items are deemed to be fake!

I wouldn't recommend PM if it was the last site around.

Sorry.

Feel free to refer cdnomaposher to this post or post this link to the listing. :)
 
Seller of the fake Dooney: cdnomaposher

And that's why I don't authenticate or recommend Poshmark as a safe site.

Poshmark has a dreadful history of allowing fakes to be sold, not responding or removing fakes when they're reported, denying claims when buyers receive a fake and file a dispute, even going to the extent (sometimes) of having the buyer send the fake item to the "authentication experts" at Poshmark where they STILL deem the item as authentic. And lastly, suspending honest sellers when their authentic items are deemed to be fake!

I wouldn't recommend PM if it was the last site around.

Sorry.

Feel free to refer cdnomaposher to this post or post this link to the listing. :smile:

Thanks a mil for the heads up re this item and Poshmark. I posted the link to the listing to warn others too
 
It's fake.

Is there a listing? Please refer to the first post on the first page of the thread for the information we need for authentications.
Thanks for directing me to that post.

Yes, I saw it listed on Poshmark; link below. Someone said it was fake but seller called her a troll

cdnomaposher
Thanks a mil for the heads up re this item and Poshmark. I posted the link to the listing to warn others too
Good for you for calling cdnomaposher out.

The thing is that it's fine to buy from estate sales (and garage sales, Craigslist, thrift stores or other online sellers) and it's perfectly legal to flip those items to try to make a profit.

But because the sale of counterfeit goods is illegal, it's the seller's responsibility verify authenticity before listing when one isn't expert in the brand.

It's NEVER a good idea to assume authenticity because you "bought it as authentic."

And shame on cdnomaposher for reducing the price to $30 and selling it anyway.
 
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Good for you for calling cdnomaposher out.

The thing is that it's fine to buy from estate sales (and garage sales, Craigslist, thrift stores or other online sellers) and it's perfectly legal to flip those items to try to make a profit.

But because the sale of counterfeit goods is illegal, it's the seller's responsibility verify authenticity before listing when one isn't expert in the brand.

It's NEVER a good idea to assume authenticity because you "bought it as authentic."

And shame on cdnomaposher for reducing the price to $30 and selling it anyway.

cdnomaposher took the money and ran. When I commented that it’s fake, she lowered it to $100 and claimed she couldn’t cancel the listing. Then she dropped it to $75 and acted all innocent when I called her out on lowering the price, then she went to $30 and hooked someone. Sadly her credibility is questionable with those tactics. I reported the listing to Poshmark but it seems I wasted my finger’s energy.
 
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