Authenticate This DOONEY & BOURKE

[Vlad]

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[BeenBurned]

This is not a Dooney question, more of a general purse question. Designers put a lot of effort into experimenting with materials and tweaking styles before they are mass produced, and handbags are no different than dresses in that regard. I'm sure some samples are shredded and disposed of. But I bought a beautiful bag at a yard sale, and I thought it was a knockoff. The seller told me she is a model and the designer gave her and the other models at a runway show each one of the purses as part of their salary - and told them the bags would cost almost $1,000 in department stores.
I do see "sample" clothing sometimes, and it seems normal. Have you heard of this before?
This bag matches pictures I have found of Halston bags. It has plain lining instead of signature, there are no labels, but there are nice details such as decorative studs with Halston logo.
Whatcha think?
If you don't want to talk about it, I'll try to find a Halston blog on purse forum.

However on your general "sample" question, I'll comment.
1. If the bag doesn't have the "Halston" name or markings, it's probably not Halston nor would it be counterfeit. It would be a generic unbranded but possibly designer inspired item.

Thanks BB. This is a huge risk I've tried to avoid on eBay. I have a series of questions I can ask sellers in email about FENDI and Dooney bags because I've tried to educate myself about the details: labels, markings, linings, and yet it's hard to force them to respond with a picture. I think some of them play dumb, or they know they are selling a fake. When I sell something, I give as much information as I can about authenticity, but I can't know if I've been fooled.

Ugh!!

You yourself stated that it's not marked with the brand, none of the hallmarks that Halston puts on its items are there and with the exception of resembling a Halston style, you don't even know if it's Halston!

And in fact, my response to you was that it's probably a generic unbranded bag and might possibly be designer inspired.

Yet you have the bag listed as "Halston." You don't know whether it's a "designer prototype" or not. You can't sell something as Halston if it's not Halston and if it is Halston, you need to know it's authentic. You know none of this!

You aren't a newbie and if you aren't aware of SNAD disputes and key word spamming violations, you might want to read up because you can hurt your reputation and your account.

Here's the keyword spamming policy:
Search and browse manipulation policy

 

[BeenBurned]

Thanks BB. This is a huge risk I've tried to avoid on eBay. I have a series of questions I can ask sellers in email about FENDI and Dooney bags because I've tried to educate myself about the details: labels, markings, linings, and yet it's hard to force them to respond with a picture. I think some of them play dumb, or they know they are selling a fake. When I sell something, I give as much information as I can about authenticity, but I can't know if I've been fooled.

I'm not sure what you mean about trying to avoid "a huge risk." You mention when buying items online and how hard it is to get pictures from sellers.

But that's completely different from this bag. You bought the bag in person from a yard sale, went home with it and considered it to be fake. So you went back to the yard sale seller and blindly took her word for the history of the bag and listed it with the brand name (which you don't even know whether authentic or not) and described it as a "designer prototype."

You know none of this and in fact, even state in the listing that you thought it to be a "knockoff."

I don't know how you value your reputation and integrity but when you list items without knowing that they're 100% authentic, you're also risking loss of your ebay privileges.

If the bag isn't Halston, you've keyword spammed the brand. And if the item isn't authentic but has "Halston" markings on it, your authenticity disclaimer doesn't help you.

 

[Phred]

This subforum is Dooney and I haven't looked so I'm not sure whether there's a Halston section or if you need to post in a miscellaneous brand section but I'd venture to guess that AT Dooney isn't the right place to post your question.

However on your general "sample" question, I'll comment.
1. If the bag doesn't have the "Halston" name or markings, it's probably not Halston nor would it be counterfeit. It would be a generic unbranded but possibly designer inspired item.
2. I frequent the Coach, Dooney and Shoes authentication discussions so in other brands, I don't know if the subject has come up.

Especially in Coach, we've had many lively discussions about some listings where the sellers claim to have items purchased "at sample sales."...

And with all the mistakes on those bags, there's no way to authenticate them (even if they were authentic).

This is just one of the more recent threads where these scary-close fakes were discussed. This is for just one style.


Thanks BB. This is a huge risk I've tried to avoid on eBay. I have a series of questions I can ask sellers in email about FENDI and Dooney bags because I've tried to educate myself about the details: labels, markings, linings, and yet it's hard to force them to respond with a picture. I think some of them play dumb, or they know they are selling a fake. When I sell something, I give as much information as I can about authenticity, but I can't know if I've been fooled.

compare it to the bag that was sold on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DE4YJ42...e=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B00DE4YJ42

 

[BeenBurned]

compare it to the bag that was sold on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DE4YJ42...e=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B00DE4YJ42

Interesting find, Phred. if that's the same bag, it's certainly isn't limited edition or "prototype" or whatever.

 

[Wendy91602]

What Phred found is the same thing I found; there was still a department store advertisement for that style when I first bought it last summer. I explained the whole story - I'm not claiming I bought it new, in a department store or even an estate sale. I am not sure how to resolve the Halston violation on the listing. I'm pretty sure if their lawyers tried to prove it was impossible for a model to sell me a prototype bag they'd fail. I'm not a newbie on the planet, but I'm certainly learning the surprising nuances of the obsession with handbags, authentication, forgery and consumer protection. I'm not in favor of deceiving buyers - but I'm also sorry that this beautiful bag has been in a dark closet for half a year because I'm dithering over something I'm not sure I can fix. Maybe I should email to Halston to ask about it.

 

[BeenBurned]

What Phred found is the same thing I found; there was still a department store advertisement for that style when I first bought it last summer. I explained the whole story - I'm not claiming I bought it new, in a department store or even an estate sale. I am not sure how to resolve the Halston violation on the listing. I'm pretty sure if their lawyers tried to prove it was impossible for a model to sell me a prototype bag they'd fail. I'm not a newbie on the planet, but I'm certainly learning the surprising nuances of the obsession with handbags, authentication, forgery and consumer protection. I'm not in favor of deceiving buyers - but I'm also sorry that this beautiful bag has been in a dark closet for half a year because I'm dithering over something I'm not sure I can fix. Maybe I should email to Halston to ask about it.

I have no idea whether Halston is even faked, although they'll fake anything that's desirable.

The point is that you listed first then asked the questions second. It's the wrong order of doing things.

 

[Wendy91602]

I have no idea whether Halston is even faked, although they'll fake anything that's desirable.

The point is that you listed first then asked the questions second. It's the wrong order of doing things.

Certainly not faked as much as Fossil, Coach and FENDI AFAIK. But evidently even the extremely high tech holograms on FENDI bags are not immune to counterfeit. Halston was never an icon of a popular TV show, though, so probably there is less demand.

I've been buying on eBay for a couple of years - selling for about a year - thinking about that bag since last summer. It was an afterthought to even ask - and I asked on this blog on Purse Forum rather than any other thread because I only started posting last week.

 

[emeycakes837]

Picked this up at Goodwill yesterday for a ridiculously cheap price. Anyone know if it's authentic and if so, what it is called? It's about 13" by 12" by 7".

 

[Julie Ann]

Picked this up at Goodwill yesterday for a ridiculously cheap price. Anyone know if it's authentic and if so, what it is called? It's about 13" by 12" by 7".

I've seen this bag on QVC right now. It's called the Sophie hobo.

 

[BeenBurned]

Picked this up at Goodwill yesterday for a ridiculously cheap price. Anyone know if it's authentic and if so, what it is called? It's about 13" by 12" by 7".

As much as I hate that thrift stores sell fakes and are too lazy to research the provenance and legality of items they sell, it's super when they assume something is fake, price it low and it's not fake.

You got a genuine Dooney though I don't know the name of the style.

 

[emeycakes837]

As much as I hate that thrift stores sell fakes and are too lazy to research the provenance and legality of items they sell, it's super when they assume something is fake, price it low and it's not fake.

You got a genuine Dooney though I don't know the name of the style.

I hate that, too. I have seen SO many fake Dooneys, especially all weather leather, at thrift stores. So happy this is real. $7.49 well spent! It even has the wallet with it. Someone goofed up but hey. Thank you so much BeenBurned and JulieAnn for responding so quickly.

 

[JOODLZ]

Could someone please authenticate this Dooney?
From GW...I love rainbow zippers
Approx. 12"w x 8.5"h x 5"d. Straps 11.5" to stitching on bag?
Is there an official name, or does tassel tote suffice?
Thanks in advance...

 

[BeenBurned]

Could someone please authenticate this Dooney?
From GW...I love rainbow zippers
Approx. 12"w x 8.5"h x 5"d. Straps 11.5" to stitching on bag?
Is there an official name, or does tassel tote suffice?
Thanks in advance...

It's a tassel zip top in one of the IT patterns but I don't know (or recall) the pattern name.

FYI, IT collection bags are made of PVC coated cotton and the older ones (pre-QVC) had rainbow zippers. Much of the QVC-made items were made without some of the most costly and unique details.

 

[JOODLZ]

It's a tassel zip top in one of the IT patterns but I don't know (or recall) the pattern name.

FYI, IT collection bags are made of PVC coated cotton and the older ones (pre-QVC) had rainbow zippers. Much of the QVC-made items were made without some of the most costly and unique details.

Thanks BeenBurned for the additional info. Did this bag originally have a shoulder strap? I wondered what the looped tabs at each end of the zipper were for

P.S. I've seen you post on the Juicy Couture AT thread...I posted a few things there this morning if you care to have a look...there hasn't been much activity there in a few months.

 

[BeenBurned]

Thanks BeenBurned for the additional info. Did this bag originally have a shoulder strap? I wondered what the looped tabs at each end of the zipper were for

P.S. I've seen you post on the Juicy Couture AT thread...I posted a few things there this morning if you care to have a look...there hasn't been much activity there in a few months.

The bag didn't come with a long detachable strap so I don't know what the loops were for. Perhaps someone thought ahead to the possibility that long straps might be added at a later date and allowed for that eventuality. (But I'm just guessing here.)

In Juicy, I only comment when I'm sure of the answers to the questions. I'll look at your posts but I prefer not to guess when I'm not confident enough to know I'm accurate.