Authenticate This DOONEY & BOURKE

[Vlad]

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[BeenBurned]

Hi @BB. Update on that fraud website: they no longer exist. At least from my IP addy...

That's great but without trying to sound like a pessimist, I've seen those sites shut down and within hours or days, they've reopened with another name.

I typed in BAGSHANGAR.COM, it's still up

I hadn't checked the site; I assumed that it was down as stated by eyeoftheleopard.

It IS still up and running.

 

[BeenBurned]

please help authenticate this for me! thank you!

Item: Dooney-Bourke-All-WeatherLearher-very-rare-vintage-crossbody
Listing number: 281896262569
Seller: villagesellout-8
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dooney-Bourke-All-WeatherLearher-very-rare-vintage-crossbody-/281896262569?
Comments: from the pic, it does not look like a vintage... it looks rather too new.

It's fake.

ETA: I have seen some pretty unused vintage bags so lack of indication of use isn't necessarily evidence that a bag isn't vintage. However that's not the case with this fake!

 

[vanilla8898]

It's fake.

ETA: I have seen some pretty unused vintage bags so lack of indication of use isn't necessarily evidence that a bag isn't vintage. However that's not the case with this fake!

Thanks a lot =)

 

[Catbird9]

I have a cute little vintage Dooney zip top, 2nd hand, red with British tan trim. About 11 x 7, it is seasoned, but not thrashed. However, it came without a shoulder strap. I didn't think I cared if the strap was authentic D&B, since I'm not selling it, so I ordered a generic tan adjustable leather shoulder strap on Amazon. I solved a similar problem with a vintage Anne Klein clutch I found in a thrift shop, and a gorgeous suede FENDI baguette - it means the bags, though, are partly authentic and slightly after market. What do you all do when you find a bag with a missing part?

If I were going to sell it, I would state that the strap (or whatever part) was not original and take good pictures of it so the prospective buyer would know what they were getting.

I got a bag that was missing one strap keeper. My local cobbler fashioned a replacement, and if you didn't look closely, you probably wouldn't notice it. When I sell the bag, I'll mention it.

Missing hang tags that came with the original bag should be mentioned. If I were going to add an after-market one, I'd mention that it was not the original one. Hang tags are often faked, so that's another thing you'd have to watch out for. I wouldn't want to sell an authentic bag with a fake hang tag. Better to have none.

 

[Wendy91602]

If I were going to sell it, I would state that the strap (or whatever part) was not original and take good pictures of it so the prospective buyer would know what they were getting.

I got a bag that was missing one strap keeper. My local cobbler fashioned a replacement, and if you didn't look closely, you probably wouldn't notice it. When I sell the bag, I'll mention it.

Missing hang tags that came with the original bag should be mentioned. If I were going to add an after-market one, I'd mention that it was not the original one. Hang tags are often faked, so that's another thing you'd have to watch out for. I wouldn't want to sell an authentic bag with a fake hang tag. Better to have none.

Thank you. That all makes sense to me and is consistent with my sense of ethics.

 

[gatorgirl07]

I don't have much info on this. Could it be real?

 

[BeenBurned]

I don't have much info on this. Could it be real?

It's fake.

If the bag is listed somewhere, please post a link so it can be reported.

If it's a bag you bought somewhere, take it back for a refund. Whether they knew it was fake or not is irrelevant; sellers and stores (including charitable thrift shops) are obligated to verify authenticity and if not confirmed as authentic or if authenticity cannot be determined, they aren't allowed to sell it. (That's the law.)

 

[gatorgirl07]

It's fake.

If the bag is listed somewhere, please post a link so it can be reported.

If it's a bag you bought somewhere, take it back for a refund. Whether they knew it was fake or not is irrelevant; sellers and stores (including charitable thrift shops) are obligated to verify authenticity and if not confirmed as authentic or if authenticity cannot be determined, they aren't allowed to sell it. (That's the law.)

Thank you. I was thinking about purchasing it

 

[Wendy91602]

This is not a Dooney question, more of a general purse question. Designers put a lot of effort into experimenting with materials and tweaking styles before they are mass produced, and handbags are no different than dresses in that regard. I'm sure some samples are shredded and disposed of. But I bought a beautiful bag at a yard sale, and I thought it was a knockoff. The seller told me she is a model and the designer gave her and the other models at a runway show each one of the purses as part of their salary - and told them the bags would cost almost $1,000 in department stores.
I do see "sample" clothing sometimes, and it seems normal. Have you heard of this before?
This bag matches pictures I have found of Halston bags. It has plain lining instead of signature, there are no labels, but there are nice details such as decorative studs with Halston logo.
Whatcha think?
If you don't want to talk about it, I'll try to find a Halston blog on purse forum.

 

[Catbird9]

This is not a Dooney question, more of a general purse question. Designers put a lot of effort into experimenting with materials and tweaking styles before they are mass produced, and handbags are no different than dresses in that regard. I'm sure some samples are shredded and disposed of. But I bought a beautiful bag at a yard sale, and I thought it was a knockoff. The seller told me she is a model and the designer gave her and the other models at a runway show each one of the purses as part of their salary - and told them the bags would cost almost $1,000 in department stores.
I do see "sample" clothing sometimes, and it seems normal. Have you heard of this before?
This bag matches pictures I have found of Halston bags. It has plain lining instead of signature, there are no labels, but there are nice details such as decorative studs with Halston logo.
Whatcha think?
If you don't want to talk about it, I'll try to find a Halston blog on purse forum.

First off, that's a gorgeous bag!

While I haven't personally heard of giving handbags as gifts to runway models, it's reasonable to believe it is done. Many designers sell samples of their designs after fashion shows, trade shows, and exhibitions.

A sample or prototype bag could be tricky to authenticate, I suppose. You could try posting it on the general Authenticate This forum:

http://forum.purseblog.com/authenticate-this-/

 

[BeenBurned]

But I bought a beautiful bag at a yard sale, and I thought it was a knockoff. The seller told me she is a model and the designer gave her and the other models at a runway show each one of the purses as part of their salary - and told them the bags would cost almost $1,000 in department stores.
I do see "sample" clothing sometimes, and it seems normal. Have you heard of this before?
This bag matches pictures I have found of Halston bags. It has plain lining instead of signature, there are no labels, but there are nice details such as decorative studs with Halston logo.
Whatcha think?
If you don't want to talk about it, I'll try to find a Halston blog on purse forum.

First off, that's a gorgeous bag!

While I haven't personally heard of giving handbags as gifts to runway models, it's reasonable to believe it is done. Many designers sell samples of their designs after fashion shows, trade shows, and exhibitions.

A sample or prototype bag could be tricky to authenticate, I suppose. You could try posting it on the general Authenticate This forum:

http://forum.purseblog.com/authenticate-this-/

This subforum is Dooney and I haven't looked so I'm not sure whether there's a Halston section or if you need to post in a miscellaneous brand section but I'd venture to guess that AT Dooney isn't the right place to post your question.

However on your general "sample" question, I'll comment.
1. If the bag doesn't have the "Halston" name or markings, it's probably not Halston nor would it be counterfeit. It would be a generic unbranded but possibly designer inspired item.
2. I frequent the Coach, Dooney and Shoes authentication discussions so in other brands, I don't know if the subject has come up.

Especially in Coach, we've had many lively discussions about some listings where the sellers claim to have items purchased "at sample sales." These listings are for bags that appear to be well made, have (seemingly) proper indicators of authenticity and aren't glaring fakes. But the bags are fakes. Serial numbers are either missing or invalid for the styles of the bags they're on, date/manufacture codes and plant codes are invalid for the styles they're on, creeds have incorrect text and descriptions for the items, etc.

And although the sellers of bags with so many mistakes claim to have either been employees and/or purchased from sample sales, NONE of the sellers have receipts or any type of documentation proven them genuine, samples, legally obtained, etc.

And with all the mistakes on those bags, there's no way to authenticate them (even if they were authentic).

This is just one of the more recent threads where these scary-close fakes were discussed. This is for just one style.
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach/warning-swaggers-912206-1.html#post28770864

 

[immigratty]

First off, that's a gorgeous bag!

While I haven't personally heard of giving handbags as gifts to runway models, it's reasonable to believe it is done. Many designers sell samples of their designs after fashion shows, trade shows, and exhibitions.

A sample or prototype bag could be tricky to authenticate, I suppose. You could try posting it on the general Authenticate This forum:

http://forum.purseblog.com/authenticate-this-/

I know this is off topic, but I just had to point out how much I love the large ducky coin purse that's your avatar.

 

[Catbird9]

I know this is off topic, but I just had to point out how much I love the large ducky coin purse that's your avatar.

Thanks!

 

[Wendy91602]

First off, that's a gorgeous bag!

While I haven't personally heard of giving handbags as gifts to runway models, it's reasonable to believe it is done. Many designers sell samples of their designs after fashion shows, trade shows, and exhibitions.

A sample or prototype bag could be tricky to authenticate, I suppose. You could try posting it on the general Authenticate This forum:

http://forum.purseblog.com/authenticate-this-/

Thanks Catbird. I think the bag was not a gift, but the designer or HR person was paying her with it. I couldn't find an Authenticate This blog dedicated to Halston, but I posted my question here: http://forum.purseblog.com/handbags...ify-this-handbag-633033-183.html#post29659093

 

[Wendy91602]

This subforum is Dooney and I haven't looked so I'm not sure whether there's a Halston section or if you need to post in a miscellaneous brand section but I'd venture to guess that AT Dooney isn't the right place to post your question.

However on your general "sample" question, I'll comment.
1. If the bag doesn't have the "Halston" name or markings, it's probably not Halston nor would it be counterfeit. It would be a generic unbranded but possibly designer inspired item.
2. I frequent the Coach, Dooney and Shoes authentication discussions so in other brands, I don't know if the subject has come up.

Especially in Coach, we've had many lively discussions about some listings where the sellers claim to have items purchased "at sample sales."...

And with all the mistakes on those bags, there's no way to authenticate them (even if they were authentic).

This is just one of the more recent threads where these scary-close fakes were discussed. This is for just one style.


Thanks BB. This is a huge risk I've tried to avoid on eBay. I have a series of questions I can ask sellers in email about FENDI and Dooney bags because I've tried to educate myself about the details: labels, markings, linings, and yet it's hard to force them to respond with a picture. I think some of them play dumb, or they know they are selling a fake. When I sell something, I give as much information as I can about authenticity, but I can't know if I've been fooled.