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BeenBurned said:
I have mixed feelings on this.

There have been many discussion on just this type of scenario on the ebay forum, cases where "authentications" deemed an authentic item as fake and buyers were told to submit documentation and an affidavit of destruction, after which they got their refund. Scamming buyer kept authentic item and got it free.

There have also been cases where fakes were returned to sellers only to be relisted and resold. That's not a good thing either.

In Two.time.bags's case, I think it had more to do with her location than with the fact that the return would cost nearly as much as the refund she'd get.

As I understand, in Australia, it's illegal to send a fake through the mail, even if you're returning it to a seller who ripped you off. (In the US, it's not illegal to own or purchase a fake, nor is it illegal to return a counterfeit item.)

Depending on the country, the victim's only recourse is as Two.time.bags had.
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I bet the seller is kicking herself that she agreed to send it to Australia. I know the seller is completely at fault, but not only did she lose her bag, which she could have kept for herself or used for parts, and the sales price, but also the shipping cost, which came out of her own pocket.

By the way, we didn't mention the seller's name when we discussed this bag. Could someone please post it so it will show up in a search.
 
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whateve said:
I bet the seller is kicking herself that she agreed to send it to Australia. I know the seller is completely at fault, but not only did she lose her bag, which she could have kept for herself or used for parts, and the sales price, but also the shipping cost, which came out of her own pocket.

By the way, we didn't mention the seller's name when we discussed this bag. Could someone please post it so it will show up in a search.
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Two.time would have to tell you the name of the seller as the listing was removed after being reported so it is no longer accessible. I just checked.
 
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thecollector629 said:
Hiya!
Actually this bothers me a little bit because of the possible repurcusions.

It's happened to me and other sellers where we were wrongfully accused of selling a fake and
had cases opened for returns with that as the reason. It's bad enough that we get that black mark on our account, but now the person would not have to return it????

We know that ebay does not accept authentications from TPF as proof positive one way or another,
(Although I DO of course!).
Think what would happen if a buyer yells FAKE and does not want to return the offending item,
and that item was NOT fake.

What I am saying is how can ebay just allow a buyer to say something is fake and then get a refund without returning it?

I do understand your point, you should not have to pay return shipping - but it opens the door for unscrupulous or "ignorant" people to take advantage of a situation.

PS - Case in point...
I purchased a large lot of Coach & Dooney handbags (10-11 I think) and after I paid and after the seller posted the tracking number I got a message from ebay saying that the listing had been cancelled and I was not responsible any more for completing the transaction.
I notified the seller to see what was going on and she said that ebay had informed her that this was too large a group and the brands she was selling are highly faked so as a precaution (she did not have enough sales under her belt) they removed the listing!
I received the bags no problem, and they were all authentic and in great condition.

If I had told ebay they were fake, according to your scenario and because her listing was pulled with an MC999 violation, I would technically not have to return them and get a refund anyway.
YIKES!!
Good thing I am not one of those unscrupulous people.

I think the best option is to be sure you have the seller provide good pictures to show authentication BEFORE you have the seller mail the purse, AND/OR choose only sellers that accept returns through the managed return process. This way the shipping fees would be on the seller if they want their item returned.

SO what do you think?
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I almost bought a fake bag a couple of months ago. The creed numbers showed that the bag was made in Italy but the story patch said it was made in the USA. I explained to the seller what those letters and numbers meant and she appreciated the information. Since the bag had not been shipped, she simply refunded my money. The seller was not trying to be dishonest. She simply didn't know that Coach bags are frequently copied. I told her about TPF and urged her to authenticate them here in the future.
 
#8,857
thecollector629 said:
Hiya!
Actually this bothers me a little bit because of the possible repurcusions.

It's happened to me and other sellers where we were wrongfully accused of selling a fake and
had cases opened for returns with that as the reason. It's bad enough that we get that black mark on our account, but now the person would not have to return it????

We know that ebay does not accept authentications from TPF as proof positive one way or another,
(Although I DO of course!).
Think what would happen if a buyer yells FAKE and does not want to return the offending item,
and that item was NOT fake.

What I am saying is how can ebay just allow a buyer to say something is fake and then get a refund without returning it?

I do understand your point, you should not have to pay return shipping - but it opens the door for unscrupulous or "ignorant" people to take advantage of a situation.

PS - Case in point...
I purchased a large lot of Coach & Dooney handbags (10-11 I think) and after I paid and after the seller posted the tracking number I got a message from ebay saying that the listing had been cancelled and I was not responsible any more for completing the transaction.
I notified the seller to see what was going on and she said that ebay had informed her that this was too large a group and the brands she was selling are highly faked so as a precaution (she did not have enough sales under her belt) they removed the listing!
I received the bags no problem, and they were all authentic and in great condition.

If I had told ebay they were fake, according to your scenario and because her listing was pulled with an MC999 violation, I would technically not have to return them and get a refund anyway.
YIKES!!
Good thing I am not one of those unscrupulous people.

I think the best option is to be sure you have the seller provide good pictures to show authentication BEFORE you have the seller mail the purse, AND/OR choose only sellers that accept returns through the managed return process. This way the shipping fees would be on the seller if they want their item returned.

SO what do you think?
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BeenBurned said:
I have mixed feelings on this.

There have been many discussion on just this type of scenario on the ebay forum, cases where "authentications" deemed an authentic item as fake and buyers were told to submit documentation and an affidavit of destruction, after which they got their refund. Scamming buyer kept authentic item and got it free.

There have also been cases where fakes were returned to sellers only to be relisted and resold. That's not a good thing either.

In Two.time.bags's case, I think it had more to do with her location than with the fact that the return would cost nearly as much as the refund she'd get.

As I understand, in Australia, it's illegal to send a fake through the mail, even if you're returning it to a seller who ripped you off. (In the US, it's not illegal to own or purchase a fake, nor is it illegal to return a counterfeit item.)

Depending on the country, the victim's only recourse is as Two.time.bags had.
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whateve said:
I bet the seller is kicking herself that she agreed to send it to Australia. I know the seller is completely at fault, but not only did she lose her bag, which she could have kept for herself or used for parts, and the sales price, but also the shipping cost, which came out of her own pocket.

By the way, we didn't mention the seller's name when we discussed this bag. Could someone please post it so it will show up in a search.
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Whoa, a can of worms!

I opened the case with PayPal, not ebay. Ebay removed the listing because they believed it to be fake, based on reports I presume. When appealing the first decision, I pointed this out to PayPal, as well as the cost of returning the fake bag for such a small refund.

I'm not sure if the seller had to pay anything as this is the message I received from PayPal.

"We look at many factors when reviewing a PayPal Purchase Protection claim and we always try to be as fair as possible to both parties involved. In certain cases, if all policies were followed and it is determined that neither party is at fault, PayPal may issue a credit to both parties involved to resolve the issue."

As BB pointed out, it is illegal to knowingly ship fake items in Australia (and UK if anyone's interested) so they didn't really have a choice. I think it would have been a different scenario had ebay not removed it.

TheCollector629, I do usually check authenticity before bidding or shipping because this is exactly the hassle I don't want. I was tardy with this one.

Seller is pporwall.
 
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Could someone please authenticate this Coach Leatherware bag?
From my sister as a trade for the Equestrian Zip I gave her :)
Approx. 8.5"w (widest point) x 7.5"h x 3"d. Strap drop 24"
Early 90's Chester Bag #9901? I have one in ivory/bone.
Thanks in advance, as always!
 

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#8,863
Two.time.bags said:
Whoa, a can of worms!

I opened the case with PayPal, not ebay. Ebay removed the listing because they believed it to be fake, based on reports I presume. When appealing the first decision, I pointed this out to PayPal, as well as the cost of returning the fake bag for such a small refund.

I'm not sure if the seller had to pay anything as this is the message I received from PayPal.

"We look at many factors when reviewing a PayPal Purchase Protection claim and we always try to be as fair as possible to both parties involved. In certain cases, if all policies were followed and it is determined that neither party is at fault, PayPal may issue a credit to both parties involved to resolve the issue."

As BB pointed out, it is illegal to knowingly ship fake items in Australia (and UK if anyone's interested) so they didn't really have a choice. I think it would have been a different scenario had ebay not removed it.

TheCollector629, I do usually check authenticity before bidding or shipping because this is exactly the hassle I don't want. I was tardy with this one.

Seller is pporwall.
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I agree that this was a different scenario than usual for a couple of reasons,
first because you opened the case with paypal instead of ebay and
secondly because the listing was removed by ebay.

Based on the message you received from paypal you are right to assume that
they did not take the funds from the seller. I actually had a situation once before myself
where paypal covered the funds themselves because they could not determine
fault one way or the other, you must be a good customer!

I am really glad you were able to get resolution no matter what.
I certainly was not being critical of you - I know you are a responsible buyer/seller!
My reflection was more geared towards other people who read these boards in the
hope they take more care and responsibility when making their purchases.

I still kick myself about the $300+ I got beat for on my Louis Vuitton ebay purchase
a few years ago....and I thought I was pretty smart then...lol!!!
 
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Here's her original post where she posted the pictures.

Two.time.bags said:
I bought this Disco Bag a while ago and have just got it out again to rehab. There are a few things that seem off to me so I'd appreciate your views regarding authenticity.

I can't believe how shoddy the sides are. Also the snap has 'MAGNETIC' on it which I haven't seen before on a Coach bag.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/17tdx7xvz20iu21/AAB2OHWmps5dM5o3sWGh57w4a?dl=0

I compared it to this one that is currently listed and it looks very similar in a lot of ways except for the points above.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-AUTH-COACH-DARKEST-BROWN-CROSS-BODY-HANDBAG-CREED-J8P-9048/131326397282?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140602152332%26meid%3Dd01e907653024e73a53cfb4f6027ccba%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140602152332%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D121456931871
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whateve said:
I bet the seller is kicking herself that she agreed to send it to Australia. I know the seller is completely at fault, but not only did she lose her bag, which she could have kept for herself or used for parts, and the sales price, but also the shipping cost, which came out of her own pocket.

By the way, we didn't mention the seller's name when we discussed this bag. Could someone please post it so it will show up in a search.
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I actually saved that seller's ID and information: pporwall

http://www.ebay.com/sch/pporwall/m....m=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=coach&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc

And a cache of the removed listing - This isn't a good cache, though.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ARE/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox
 
#8,865
maramd said:
Please authentcate.

Coach teal purse
Item 231375892310
Seller theellymay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231375892310?_trksid=p2060778.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

And this one:

Leather Coach handbag
Item 181577571549
Seller discus4
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181577571549?_trksid=p2060778.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Thank you!
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maramd said:
Lots of looking at bags today! Please authenticate. Thanks.

COACH Tribeca Bucket Bag #9098, Navy Leather, Medium
Item 171527567282
Seller khenningnh
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Tribe...282?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item27efd6f7b2
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All seem fine.
 
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