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I know this one if fake (in my possession) but I thought I would show it so that people can see you might get fooled by the creed because the style number is correct.
Stupid me, I did not bother to read that it said it was made from LEATHER (It's a canvas bag) and the year code should have been "O4" instead of "4".
PS - Is the hang tag real?

The most obvious problem is the C pattern. I don't know if most buyers are aware of it, but the "mirror image" rule about the C pattern holds true for over 95 percent of standard Signature C and Op Art C patterns including this one, and a potential buyer doesn't even need to see the creed to spot it. That would be the first thing to tell someone to look at, and then advise them to have an expert take a look if the C's aren't right. And it's a lot easier for a potential buyer to spot than trying to find a style number that's at least 10 years old. But I see your point.

Understanding how to read a serial number - and referring to a VALID Coach Guide like the Salearea Guides for confirmation - would be another easy way to spot a problem. While a tiny handful of Signature C bags were actually made in Costa Rica in 2004 but have a 1994 year code in the serial, this isn't a CR serial, and a 1994 year code in a Signature C creed from China or the US is always fake.

Actually READING the creed is also important, like you pointed out. A fabric bag that says it's made of leather is almost always fake, although some recent authentic bags have generic creeds that just refer to "the finest materials". And when the edges of the creed look like they've been cut with manicure scissors, that's another red flag an inexperienced buyer can spot without even needing to check their computer.

Unfortunately, inexperienced buyers usually aren't the ones reading this thread so getting the word out is a lot harder than it seems. If anything they're reading some bull-cwap "authenticity guide" posted somewhere on the 'net ten years ago by some nameless idiot claiming that YKK zippers prove a Coach is genuine. The problem is to get them to STOP reading those packs of lies and to learn where to look for valid answers. Unfortunately it's been proven in a lot of scientific studies that the first information that a person hears or reads on a subject is usually what they end up believing.

I'm not going to speculate on the hangtag. Real hangtags are too easy to come by and don't prove anything. They're also very easy to fake. It wouldn't surprise me if the tag is real but using hangtags as an authenticity tool is useless. Coach's website photo does show a silver metal hangtag. I've posted it below.
 

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Maybe Noshoepolish can take a look, but I'm not going to try to authenticate anything with no creed, especially if it's been deliberately removed. There's always a chance someone cut it out because the creed or serial number proved the bag was fake, and rather than destroying a "perfectly good" fake bag they cut the creed out so it couldn't be sold as a Coach. To me that's a red flag. I did that myself to a fake before I threw it in the dumpster.
 
Maybe Noshoepolish can take a look, but I'm not going to try to authenticate anything with no creed, especially if it's been deliberately removed. There's always a chance someone cut it out because the creed or serial number proved the bag was fake, and rather than destroying a "perfectly good" fake bag they cut the creed out so it couldn't be sold as a Coach. To me that's a red flag. I did that myself to a fake before I threw it in the dumpster.
The creed was not "cut out" of my bag, it is sewn in neatly along the seam and looks like it was made that way but it is like a flap.
Sorry if I was misleading you by saying it was cut.

AFTER I posted this here I did a search on ebay for the sold briefcases with the same style number and ALL of them have this exact same creed/flap.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-BRO...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Brown...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-5278-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XLNT-Coach-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
 

The first two "Coaches" are fake. The red Sig Tote may be genuine, I'll have to look more closely after dinner.
ETA - The third one looks ok.

Here's how I'm reporting the first two, 121464634153 and 121464638631:

1st fake - creed serial number doesnt match seller's listing info - creed shows style number -6039, NOT 10002. Seller may have posted a photo of ANOTHER fake she has listed - see "2nd fake" report below - but the hangtag is also fake and the wrong shape and, the C pattern on at least one of the patches is SIDEWAYS and the colors, designs and placement of several other patches are also wrong for style 10002 and so are the leather colors.

2nd fake - C pattern is completely misaligned, Style # probably fake, creed patch stitching is HORRIBLE. always-fake shiny mini C lining, AND a C lining should never be in a C pattern bag or a Patchwork bag where almost half the patches have C patterns. Also REALLY badly sewn creed patch,
 
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The creed was not "cut out" of my bag, it is sewn in neatly along the seam and looks like it was made that way but it is like a flap.
Sorry if I was misleading you by saying it was cut.

AFTER I posted this here I did a search on ebay for the sold briefcases with the same style number and ALL of them have this exact same creed/flap.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-BRO...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Brown...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-5278-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XLNT-Coach-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I'd still want to see the creed from the bag you bought. Otherwise it's best to let Shoe take a look.
 
The last 3 are fake, I don't see any reportable problems with the first two but the inside pocket on the second one doesn't look right.

It may be fake but the photos aren't clear enough to prove it. It almost looks like it has an old NYC creed but the hardware looks like it's silver. And the inside pocket zipper doesn't extend out to the edges of the pocket.

DO NOT BUY FROM SELLER " alon12347 " UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/alon12347/m...27UrkC237A6anNV9hME%3D&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

The second bag has been relisted here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-leather-handbag-/321563493122?
In my opinion, the only style it could be is a Whitney. The buckles are the wrong shape and look to be silver rather than brass. The inside zipper doesn't go all the way across and is silver. The stitching along the top of the zipper is too far away from the zipper. The edge of the leather below the zipper looks raw and unfinished rather than folded under before stitching. The inside pocket is too short for the bag. There is no seam on the back of the bag but there is a center seam behind the inside pocket. Where did it come from? A Whitney has a full back slip pocket behind the main section but that doesn't have a center seam. In the pocket picture, it appears there is a center seam on the front of the bag opposite the pocket. In a Whitney, there is a front slip pocket that has a center seam, but the main body of the bag has no center seam. I think there are enough things wrong that I can see even in these crummy pictures to report.

You guys missed another fake bag that alon12347 sold:

I believe it's trying to be style 10444 but the lining is the wrong fabric and the creed is the wrong color and texture.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-handb...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Sheesh! Lousy crumb bums like this make eBay treacherous. The feedback is unbelievable and the buyers don't even realize... they are "happy" with their fakes.
Never, alon12347, NEVER.

Thank you all so much for weighing in.
 
I have bought a Coach Court bag in tan. It really does not look real to me. The leather seems to have a coating on it, rather than tanned leather. See image of where there is a little bit peeled off. The creed says made in United States and the Serial number seems odd to me. Inside the bag seems to have been dyed after having been made, as there is a lighter bit where colour has not reached near the seams (see photo of internal zip and see the lighter interior at the edge).
 

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I have bought a Coach Court bag in tan. It really does not look real to me. The leather seems to have a coating on it, rather than tanned leather. See image of where there is a little bit peeled off. The creed says made in United States and the Serial number seems odd to me. Inside the bag seems to have been dyed after having been made, as there is a lighter bit where colour has not reached near the seams (see photo of internal zip and see the lighter interior at the edge).
I don't see any problems with the authenticity of the bag. The white around the seams is common in vintage bags. The creed and serial number look fine. It isn't normal for the finish to peel off like that. Maybe the previous owner coated it with something.
 
I have bought a Coach Court bag in tan. It really does not look real to me. The leather seems to have a coating on it, rather than tanned leather. See image of where there is a little bit peeled off. The creed says made in United States and the Serial number seems odd to me. Inside the bag seems to have been dyed after having been made, as there is a lighter bit where colour has not reached near the seams (see photo of internal zip and see the lighter interior at the edge).

What year do you think it was made? and what about where the finish of the bag has peeled? My other old Coach bags don't have anything like this film that might peel?
 
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