You're welcome!Quite right, BB did! I confess, still fully tired from an expedition to the City yesterday! Also a good point on the dark brown ones, thank you!
AUTHENTICATE this COACH!
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I don't feel comfortable with it. I don't have any verified examples of a J plant creed to compare with. The seller doesn't have pictures of the parts that would help prove its authenticity, like the complete pocket zipper and the zipper pull. It really looks like the grommets are silver.
I commented on the seller here: http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-855067-419.html#post27243578
Thanks for the heads up! I just messaged the seller asking for a better picture of the pocket. And I saw this patricular statement in the FAQ:
Is your designer bag authentic?
ucc.vintageclothing-2009 : We will NEVER list an item we feel is fake. We try our best to compare serial numbers, hardware, and other factors to decide if an item is authentic BEFORE we consider listing it. We ask that our buyers use their own objective when deciding about an item and trust that we would never intentionally post an item that isn't authentic.
I agree. The grommets are a problem, and the font used in the serial number is an even bigger problem. The oversized "o" in "No" just by itself would be a big red flag. A similar font rarely shows up in genuine bags but it shows up a LOT in fakes.
Another problem I'm seeing is the inside zipper and the edges of the leather it's attached to. The leather edges at both the top and bottom of the zipper should be rolled and tucked & sewn under the zipper. On this one the edges especially the lower one seem to be unfinished and unrolled. The stitches around the inside pocket zipper also seem to be twice as long as they are in genuine Pat's Legacy bags. Each stitch should only be about the distance of one zipper tooth and the gap on one side to the next one, instead they are twice that length. And in the picture of the back of the buckle assembly the rivet is too big and the length between the rivet and the rest of the buckle is too short.
We'd definitely want to see photos of the full pocket zipper all the way to and past the edges of the inside pocket and the backs of the strap buckles.
As to what the seller says in their listings, that's all well and good but then it becomes the buyer's responsibility to prove that the bag is fake. And if the seller has a so-called "authentication" from an authenticating service that's incompetant to analyze Coach products (this one doesn't but it can and will happen and probably already has) the problem gets much harder. That seller has listed fakes before, knowingly or otherwise.
Top 2 pics - genuine on top ( leather top zipper pull), probable fake below.
3rd & 4th pics - length of the stitches and how the leather around the inside pocket is sewn (doesn't show clearly on the pic but I've verified it AND the difference in the length of the stitches in my own genuine Pat's Legacy M5D-9951 from the D plant in Dec 1995. Number 3 is genuine, Number 4 is probably fake
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Hi everyone!
Thanks in advance for helping me and reading my question!
Item: Vintage Coach Bonnie Cashin Brown Purse Convertible Clutch
Listing number:157819801
Seller: brainstormvintage
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/157819...nie-cashin-brown-purse?ref=shop_home_active_9
Comments: I'm new to vintage Coach and have a question regarding this Basic Bag listing.
The creed is stamped "Made in USA" -- however, I thought that (depending on year produced), the bags were stamped with "Made in New York City, USA" or for later bags "Made in the United States." Is this bag authentic? If so, approximately what year?
Thanks in advance for helping me and reading my question!
Item: Vintage Coach Bonnie Cashin Brown Purse Convertible Clutch
Listing number:157819801
Seller: brainstormvintage
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/157819...nie-cashin-brown-purse?ref=shop_home_active_9
Comments: I'm new to vintage Coach and have a question regarding this Basic Bag listing.
The creed is stamped "Made in USA" -- however, I thought that (depending on year produced), the bags were stamped with "Made in New York City, USA" or for later bags "Made in the United States." Is this bag authentic? If so, approximately what year?
This is interesting. Since anything information we have about creeds and codes comes from our own research (since Coach discloses nothing), I was under the impression that bags with M at the end of the style number were from Macy's. I'd seen M bags at Macy's. (I thought E was Dillards, but now I don't know.)
It's Dillards who uses the yellow reduced price stickers. Macy's stickers are white and red. Since this bag appears to have a Dillard's sticker, I don't know whether the M bags went to multiple department stores or if a customer might have purchased a bag somewhere else and returned it to Dillards and the seller of the bag subsequently bought it.
In any case, the bag and creed look fine.
The bag is authentic. Coach used the " "Made in New York City, USA" creeds until around 1988 when they opened up a second factory. Both "Made in the United States" and "Made in U.S.A." were used until 1994. This bag was probably made in the late 80s.
That same bag was listed and removed in August. At the same time, she had another dreadful fake. I posted about it here.
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-855067-421.html#post27245542
Hi again, can someone please look at this one?
Item: AUTHENTIC COACH POPPY OP ART LUREX SILVER & GRAY TOTE BAG
Item number: 261584598049
Seller: coach*karma*creations
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTHENTIC-C...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Item: AUTHENTIC COACH POPPY OP ART LUREX SILVER & GRAY TOTE BAG
Item number: 261584598049
Seller: coach*karma*creations
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTHENTIC-C...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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