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Two.time.bags said:
So it comes down to morals and social responsibility. As many of the NFP thrift stores, or 'op shops' as we call them here, are affiliated with religious organizations, it makes you wonder.....
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alansgail said:
Hmmm, this is a great question...my dh is the attorney for a very well known thrift store nationwide. I'll have to run this ethical question by him. I purchased an authentic vintage crescent Coach at a thrift for $16 (1/2 price day!). I wondered at that time if it was authentic and the very nice clerk told me that they DO NOT authenticate.
So I purchased and then had it authenticated here (I think).
But a fake is a fake is a fake......they shouldn't be sold anywhere and 'not knowing' seems like a good way to pass the buck and to not be culpable.
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Great points! I'd be interested to know! I was going to point out that they were trying to sell a fake bag for a good amount of money (I mean there wasn't even "Coach" on the Creed... it was crazy) but I figured they wouldn't do anything about it anyway.
 
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alansgail said:
Hmmm, this is a great question...my dh is the attorney for a very well known thrift store nationwide. I'll have to run this ethical question by him. I purchased an authentic vintage crescent Coach at a thrift for $16 (1/2 price day!). I wondered at that time if it was authentic and the very nice clerk told me that they DO NOT authenticate.
So I purchased and then had it authenticated here (I think).
But a fake is a fake is a fake......they shouldn't be sold anywhere and 'not knowing' seems like a good way to pass the buck and to not be culpable.
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Standing in front of a Traffic Court judge and telling him or her that you "didn't know" the speed limit was only 25 MPH won't get you very far. Unfortunately when posters have actually called thrift shop owners out about selling fakes and they actually admit the item might not be genuine, that's the attitude most of them seem to have.

And like we've mentioned here before, no law enforcement agency, whether local, US Customs, Homeland Security or the FBI, wants to look like a bunch of cold-hearted jerks for shutting down or bringing charges against a "non-profit", and the NPs use that to their advantage too.

They also seem to think that the law exempts non-profits from obeying it, which it clearly does NOT:
http://www.ipcrimes.com/pdf/federal_statute.pdf
and
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/113/2320

The only exemption of any kind I've found so far for "non-profit entities" refers only to public libraries, archives, etc in connection with intellectual property under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA).
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/docs/prosecuting_ip_crimes_manual_2013.pdf

3. Certain Nonprofit Entities
Section 1204(b) exempts from criminal prosecution all nonprofit libraries,
archives, educational institutions, or public broadcasting entities as defined by
17 U.S.C. § 118(f ). See also 17 U.S.C. § 1201(d) (listing other entities). The
exception set forth in § 1201(d) for nonprofit libraries, archives, and educational
institutions is not as broad as the exemption from criminal prosecution for
the same group of entities set forth in § 1204(b), because the latter (1) also
includes “public broadcasting entities” and (2) precludes prosecution for the
anti-circumvention and the anti-trafficking violations of § 1201.


I really don't know why the FBI, Homeland Security and Customs don't send an official letter and email to every CEO and the head of every legal department of every registered non-profit in the country explaining clearly what their responsibilities are regarding the selling of counterfeit trademarked merchandise, along with a copy of the law(s) involved.
 
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Two.time.bags said:
So it comes down to morals and social responsibility. As many of the NFP thrift stores, or 'op shops' as we call them here, are affiliated with religious organizations, it makes you wonder.....
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The person that told me it was legal for them to sell fakes was the manager of a nonprofit associated with a church.
 
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Hyacinth said:
Unfortunately, too many churches seem to think they're exempt from having to follow any laws.

JMO, so please don't send me any "shame on you" notes.
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I guess sometimes people/groups think that following a higher power means that human laws need no longer apply.

May i trouble the experts for an opinion on these?

Item: Vintage Late 60's / Early 70s COACH Purse, Dark Burgundy - Plum Leather // Made in New York City USA
Seller: TheVintageWorkshoppe
Link: https://www.etsy.com/sg-en/listing/152473450/vintage-late-60s-early-70s-coach-purse?ref=favs_view_1
Comments: Is the colour burgundy? It looks quite brown - how would we tell it from, say, mahogany? Also, the serial number has fallen off, but would i be right in guessing that this bag is late 70s-early 80s? (Assuming it is authentic)

Item: Vintage Coach Distressed Burgundy Leather Purse, Cross body Shoulder Bag, Handbag Made in NYC
Seller: MoloHouse
Link: https://www.etsy.com/sg-en/listing/156021820/vintage-coach-distressed-burgundy?ref=favs_view_2
Comments: Is this an upsized Penny bag?

Thank you so much for your time. :)
 
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katie_manx said:
I guess sometimes people/groups think that following a higher power means that human laws need no longer apply.

May i trouble the experts for an opinion on these?

Item: Vintage Late 60's / Early 70s COACH Purse, Dark Burgundy - Plum Leather // Made in New York City USA
Seller: TheVintageWorkshoppe
Link: https://www.etsy.com/sg-en/listing/152473450/vintage-late-60s-early-70s-coach-purse?ref=favs_view_1
Comments: Is the colour burgundy? It looks quite brown - how would we tell it from, say, mahogany? Also, the serial number has fallen off, but would i be right in guessing that this bag is late 70s-early 80s? (Assuming it is authentic)

Item: Vintage Coach Distressed Burgundy Leather Purse, Cross body Shoulder Bag, Handbag Made in NYC
Seller: MoloHouse
Link: https://www.etsy.com/sg-en/listing/156021820/vintage-coach-distressed-burgundy?ref=favs_view_2
Comments: Is this an upsized Penny bag?

Thank you so much for your time. :)
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They both look fine. I think both are probably burgundy unless the photos aren't accurate. The first is a basic bag. The second one is a convertible clutch. They are both from the same period: late 70s, early 80s. It is likely they used the glued on serial numbers at the same time as the stamped ones.
 
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whateve said:
They both look fine. I think both are probably burgundy unless the photos aren't accurate. The first is a basic bag. The second one is a convertible clutch. They are both from the same period: late 70s, early 80s. It is likely they used the glued on serial numbers at the same time as the stamped ones.
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Thank you, whateve! Lightning-quick and super educational. :)
 
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Suzanne B. said:
Isn't this keychain fake?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Coach-B...pt=US_Women_s_Accessories&hash=item2c75ca4513
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Yes, the keychain listed by seller more2shop4 is fake.

This post shows what style 92478 looks like:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach/co...te-bonnie-line-now-442249-2.html#post10357946

And a side by side comparison -- notice that the authentic version has a trigger clip and there are obvious color differences.

FAKE from more2shop4 vs. authentic:

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92478_svmc_a0
 
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JOODLZ said:
Could someone please authenticate this Coach Leatherware bag?
The red streak continues at Goodwill...
Approx. 11”w x 10”h x 5”d Strap drop 19”
Shoulder Pouch from the Lightweights Collection #4025, yes?
Any idea of age? I have another one of these that Hyacinth dated from 1988-91...does that apply to this one too?
As always, thanks in advance for any and all info!
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Hi, Joodlz! I was in Florida for a few weeks and convinced DH to take a jaunt to your neck of the woods to check out the GW. But due to an unfortunate series of events I spent a great deal of time lingering near the bathroom at the local Bealls store to the point I thought they thought I was casing the joint. TMI I'm sure, but I can find it funny now. I had visions of wrestling a 15.00 Madison Sutton or a 10.00 Logan from your clutches!! That's what you get when you attempt to poach someone else's turf.
 
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