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Tetondeb said:
Item: Crescent/saddle
Link:http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=131041296812
Seller:catmess

I see several offensive things. If you agree will you please help me report it.
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I'm seeing a questionable prefix J8H- with a squared stamping impression after the style number that shouldn't be there. I don't have any saved pics of any genuine examples of that style and have never owned one so if you want to point out what other problems you're seeing, that's ok with me. The seller's photos are a mess. :smile1:
 
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Hyacinth said:
It's possible that Coach may have made it that way for a short time. The few catalogs I have all show a single strap. Or it's possible there was an earlier version with slightly different details.

EDITED TO ADD:
The one in the above listing is much older than the olive one we talked about before and probably IS a Cashin-era bag, judging by the very old-style Coach tag inside. That style seems to have been discontinued some time before the mid-1970s according to the catalogs I've seen, and then re-introduced around 1984-85. There's no sign of it in the 1976, 1981, 1982 or 1983 catalogs, and it reappears by 1985. The tan one from Azuremerekat also may be Cashin-era, but the olive one had a full stamped creed and serial number and would have to have been from the mid-80s. The two earlier bags seem like they should have had the same length straps.

The questionable strap we talked about a few days ago from azuremerekat was also a LOT shorter - the seller listed it as a 13-inch drop, which no one except a hobbit would ever have have been able to wear cross-body, but the pics in the listing you just mentioned show a much longer strap that can be worn cross-body. I'd guess the drop on that one to be at least a 17 to 20-inch drop, which would fit with the size(s) available at Coach.

I can't even imagine that style being made with a 13-inch drop strap. Not only would that NOT have been the fashion so many years ago - going back to the 60s and 70s a "Shoulder bag" didn't mean a purse with a short drop that was carried under the arm and close to the body like it does today. It meant a bag with a very long strap, like what we'd call a Crossbody today, that hung straight down from one shoulder and fell usually from just below the waist to the lower hip. Hanging straight down was much more common than crossbody, which was thought of as more of a military look.

I also can't imagine a double-turnlock bag like that being carried right under the arm like most bags today (what I always think of as "armpit bags", sorry!) since it seems like the back turnlock would be constantly digging right into your ribs. So it's hard to see a double-turnlock bag with a 13-inch drop being practical, especially 30 or 40 years ago.
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All very interesting thanks Hyacinth.

The olive one has been relisted....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Doubl...d=100011&prg=1005&rk=1&rkt=5&sd=261316580086&
 
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#7,628
Hyacinth said:
You've been reading the wrong guides. Whichever ones you have saved that make any claims that "Coaches are always perfect including the creed and serial number stampings", delete those guides or links from your files and forget all the BS that they included.

Then read the six-part Salearea Coach Guides that not only give ACCURATE information about what you can and can't expect from a Coach, but that also includes a Guide that specifically tells you what you can and can't believe or depend on from other online"Authenticity guides". Read them, save them and Bookmark them, and ignore anything published in any other guide that has contradictory information. Ask here if you need any points clarified:
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea?uqt=g

And read my Signature right below this for a warning about online guides.
There will be a quiz when you come back. ;)
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Yes, Ma'am, General, Your Majesty! I worship at your well-shod feet!

May the quiz be open-book, please?
 
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Hyacinth said:
It's possible that Coach may have made it that way for a short time. The few catalogs I have all show a single strap. Or it's possible there was an earlier version with slightly different details.

EDITED TO ADD:
The one in the above listing is much older than the olive one we talked about before and probably IS a Cashin-era bag, judging by the very old-style Coach tag inside. That style seems to have been discontinued some time before the mid-1970s according to the catalogs I've seen, and then re-introduced around 1984-85. There's no sign of it in the 1976, 1981, 1982 or 1983 catalogs, and it reappears by 1985. The tan one from Azuremerekat also may be Cashin-era, but the olive one had a full stamped creed and serial number and would have to have been from the mid-80s. The two earlier bags seem like they should have had the same length straps.

The questionable strap we talked about a few days ago from azuremerekat was also a LOT shorter - the seller listed it as a 13-inch drop, which no one except a hobbit would ever have have been able to wear cross-body, but the pics in the listing you just mentioned show a much longer strap that can be worn cross-body. I'd guess the drop on that one to be at least a 17 to 20-inch drop, which would fit with the size(s) available at Coach.

I can't even imagine that style being made with a 13-inch drop strap. Not only would that NOT have been the fashion so many years ago - going back to the 60s and 70s a "Shoulder bag" didn't mean a purse with a short drop that was carried under the arm and close to the body like it does today. It meant a bag with a very long strap, like what we'd call a Crossbody today, that hung straight down from one shoulder and fell usually from just below the waist to the lower hip. Hanging straight down was much more common than crossbody, which was thought of as more of a military look.

I also can't imagine a double-turnlock bag like that being carried right under the arm like most bags today (what I always think of as "armpit bags", sorry!) since it seems like the back turnlock would be constantly digging right into your ribs. So it's hard to see a double-turnlock bag with a 13-inch drop being practical, especially 30 or 40 years ago.
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Two.time.bags said:
All very interesting thanks Hyacinth.

The olive one has been relisted....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Double-Sided-Bag-Made-in-NYC-New-York-City-OLIVE-Brass-Good-Condition/261322482600?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D2542878160275033687%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D261316580086%26
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Yep, and the seller is still claiming it's a Cashin-era bag, when it can't be older than 1984. I give up.

Someone's just earned himself a big fat Not Recommended.
 
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Hyacinth said:
Absolutely! Those are the best kinds of quizzes!

Hey, I still go back once a month and read over those guides again, it helps me keep everything straight in my head. Or try to, anyway. :D
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Yikes! I guess there will never be any hope for me keeping all that info straight! I'm sure there are plenty of eyes rollin' at the thrift store, when I whip out my raggedy printed guides. Not that I care. ;)
 
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Long-time lurker here.

Could someone please authenticate this thrift store find for me? I have pictures of the creed, front, back, front pocket and main bag. The creed is stamped on a inner pocket flap that can be pulled out. Thanks to all the experts here! I've read many pages of this thread as well as Hyacinth's guides and passed on thrift store bags that I knew were fake as a result of what I've learned!








 
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Katherine2020 said:
Yikes! I guess there will never be any hope for me keeping all that info straight! I'm sure there are plenty of eyes rollin' at the thrift store, when I whip out my raggedy printed guides. Not that I care. ;)
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LOVE your Avatar, Katherine! As for the thrift shops, a woman in one of our local thrifts looked at me like I was totally nuts last week when I copied down the serial number from a bag's Creed. "WHAT are you doing????" she asked. When I tried to (politely) give her a little education, she backed slowly away...

And the funniest part was, when I researched, I'm really sure the bag was genuine, and IMHO it was even a little underpriced. If she had been nice to me, I would have gone back to tell her, and their charity would have maybe made a little more $$$.
 
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