First one's a bad fake, and as you said, the formatting of the creed wording is wrong and the oversdtamping lines are fake. Please report.
" fake style and color, VERY fake creed stamp - serial number has wrong font, font is too heavy with Serifs, and the "overstamping" lines above and below DONT match the next or previous numbers in the sequence - i.e. the ZERO should have the very bottom of the number "9" above it ( a partial rounded line) and the very top of the number "1" underneath it (just the top point of the number). WHEN ALL THE OVERSTAMPING LINES ARE JUST STRAIGHHT FLAT LINES, THAN THE SERIAL NUMBER STAMPING IS FAKE.
The spacing and placement of the words in the creed is wrong, and the margin should be more squared.
Second - yes, style 4453 is a nylon satchel from 2006, Coach's picture is below. The borders around the Coach logo on the creed stamp are completely wrong.
Originally Posted by whateve:
The overstamping plus the thickness of the numbers make me believe this one isn't authentic. It looks like it is trying to look like Soho Thompson drawstring bag #4151.
For the second one, the triple frame around the Coach lozenge at the top of the creed is unusual. The style number 4453 was used in 2005 for a fabric bag. If it weren't for the bad creed, I would have believed this was an Emmie Flap.
Thank you, whateve and Hyacinth, for your replies. I truly appreciate your assistance and input.