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whateve said:
This is really interesting. Here is the original listing for your bag: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Vinta...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Your seller bought it for more than she sold it!

I am comparing it to mine and it looks exactly the same. I think it is authentic.
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Thanks Whateve! :woohoo: After I posted this, I read that authentic bags CAN have a nickel zipper and brass hardware so that is reassuriing....beautiful baf but needs cleaning which I will research and get help from you ladies at the REhab thread. This makes up for my goofy mistake with the other bag. ;)
 
#6,992
whateve said:
Authentic. Didn't you just get another one of these?
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Same one I put on secondhand finds page, but had to authenticate it before taking it to ebay and/or figuring out if I want to keep her! I've learned after my ergo hobo fiasco on ebay, that I'd best make sure even if I THINK I am sure already!
 
#6,993
whateve said:
The listing referenced is fake. It has the style number of the Legacy Zip but appears to be style number 9965. Everything we have seen with this exact number is fake. You just happened to get the one that had the correct style number for the bag. Finding the same style number on other bags doesn't prove that his is authentic. It would only do so if we found it on other Legacy Zips that had no other problems.

ETA: I can't find that listing anymore. It appears to have been removed by ebay, proving that they recognized it as fake.
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There were several listings with invalid creeds/serial numbers/prefixes from seller high-end-look-again. The last one is the one used as an example by seller nicholasthrifted to "prove" authenticity of the L6Z prefix:

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I apologize for the HUGE pictures!
 
#6,994
netlawyer said:
Original posts:

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-763164-461.html#post24104142

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-763164-462.html#post24110140



Hi all -

I contacted my seller about the L6Z-9966 Legacy Zip and he responded by arguing that other bags had the same serial number and that someone could not tell a fake from photos of the zipper and the zipper pull. He also believes that finding the same number on different bags proves his is legitimate rather than the other way around.

He sent me links to a couple of bags. One had a US creed and a C plant code, so no obvious issue with the plant code there. But he also sent this one:

Item:Classic Vintage COACH Black Leather Cross Body Messenger Bag~Hand Bag~ Purse/GUC
Item Number: 111016055200
Seller: high-end-look-again
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-Vin...essenger-Bag-Hand-Bag-Purse-GUC-/111016055200

I would appreciate comments on this bag as I am sending him these posts to try to educate him on Coach creeds and serial numbers. I also explained to him the information contained in the creed and that the discrepancy between the style number and the bag shows this bag is fake too.

Thank you in advance for your help and also any advice you can offer as to next steps. I haven't reported this bag yet, but will.

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Just for completeness here is the original listing for the L6Z-9966 Legacy Zip I have.

Item: vintage black coach shoulder bag with four bottom 'feet'
Item Number: 261159947875
Seller: nicholasthrifted
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-bla...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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For starters, send him the URL to the set of 6 Coach Guides researched by me and posted by Salearea, one of the largest and most respected sellers of classic and vintage Coach bags on Ebay. The Guides on Creeds and on Serial Numbers explain how 1994 and newer serial numbers are formatted and why 2 different styles should never have the same serial or style number:
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/memb...&pr=salearea&uaid=41262657&uan=salearea&uqt=g

Daria48's Fake Coach Serial Numbers Guide also mentions that number and is recognised as the most accurate guide to fake Coach serial numbers available:
http://reviews.ebay.com/Fake-Coach-Serial-Numbers-NT-4903-and-more?ugid=10000000002744619

I make sure that the Salearea Guides are updated if any new information becomes available, and I know Daria48 also updates her Guide regularly. If he wants to question me he's welcome to contact me through tPF or pass on any questions through you, but he needs to read the entire part of this thread that discusses the problems with that bag. (The only way I know of to contact Daria48 is through Ebay).

Regarding the items he brought up that he claims prove his case:
Item Number: 111016055200
Seller: high-end-look-again
Apparently reported and accepted as counterfeit by both Ebay and by Coach's official VeRO (Verified Owner Rights) representative as fake. Listing was removed by Ebay. Coach's VeRO rep must authorize all removals of reported counterfeit items.
 
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BeenBurned said:
There were several listings with invalid creeds/serial numbers/prefixes from seller high-end-look-again. The last one is the one used as an example by seller nicholasthrifted to "prove" authenticity of the L6Z prefix:

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I apologize for the HUGE pictures!
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Thanks for the research, BB!

Without even seeing the rest of the bags, it's obvious that all those creeds and numbers in listings from seller high-end-look-again are fake.

1- ADR9927 - no space between the first 3 and last 4 digits, any prefix with no numbers in the first set of 3 digits is ALWAYS fake, style 9927 belongs only to an all-leather Willis Bag but the creed is copied from the ones used only in the Neo line which were made of a special Neoprene fabric.

2- fake month code "P" was never used in Coach serial numbers and ALWAYS indicates a fake, no exceptions. Style number 4956 was a Sonoma Pocket Drawstring Nubuc which would NEVER have had a creed that said it was made of glove-tanned cowhide - it wasn't.

3- badly stamped creed and Coach logo "Z" plant code in 1998 was used only for the Dominican Republic plant. The serial number font is also the wrong size. A GENUINE creed stamp from the DR is shown below and the fact that they accidently flipped the month and year codes tells me loud and clear that the plant had just begun production. Several new non-US plants made the same mistake with the serial number prefixes early in production.

BTW the August 1997 date code in that serial number is the earliest verified date for the Z plant that I've been able to find. It apparently didn't exist in 1996 which is the date code in the bag Netlawyer originally asked about here:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-763164-460.html#post24103844

4- again, invalid plant code, the Coach logo above the creed is wrong - the letters are too big for the cartouche.

NETLAWYER, your seller needs to have his items authenticated because he's been selling bags that are obvious fakes, and so has seller high-end-look-again. Two of the ones above might only have been able to be spotted by an expert who's skilled in analyzing serial numbers, but the first two are so obvious that anyone who has any experience selling or buying genuine Coach should have been able to spot them. Both have fake and invalid numbers that are mentioned in the Salearea Guides. Please send your seller a link to this post too.
 

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#6,996
BeenBurned said:
The following info on zippers is from this accurate guide: http://reviews.ebay.com/Authentic-Coach-Vintage-and-Classic-Leather?ugid=10000000062579034

ZIPPERS
The YKK zipper "rule" has even less validity with older bags than with newer styles. Coach originally used US-made Talon zippers on their classic leather bags, even putting an "industrial-style" heavy duty version in some of their casual bags. While some 1980s and 1990s styles also used YKK, after Coach moved some of its plants to Italy, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Turkey, Hungary, and Mexico some of those plants may have used local brands from the countries the items were made in. Speaking of Coach plant locations, Coach also had several pilot plants operating in both China (mid-1990s) and Thailand (2000-2003 for mostly business and travel bags) before switching production completely to SE Asia.

And yes, some classic Coaches really did have plastic zippers.
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whateve said:
BB is correct. This bag was made in 2002 so it isn't really that old. My 1999 version also has a nylon zipper for the inside pocket.
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Thank you, thank you!​
 
#7,000
Hey guys! Thanks again for the help last night. I found another that is possibly a fall-back; the price for the tan one I asked about last night is going up and up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Vintage-Willis-British-Tan-Purse-9927-/181087267043?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2a29a468e3

Authentic as well? I'm not sure which thread is best to find out this info... how would I find out the ages of the individual Willis purses, and can anyone give an idea of a reasonable price to pay for a black, a British tan, and a mahogany in near mint condition? From looking around, it seems like the British tan is most sought after and so is more pricey.
 
#7,001
MEGM said:
Hey guys! Thanks again for the help last night. I found another that is possibly a fall-back; the price for the tan one I asked about last night is going up and up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Vintage-Willis-British-Tan-Purse-9927-/181087267043?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2a29a468e3

Authentic as well? I'm not sure which thread is best to find out this info... how would I find out the ages of the individual Willis purses, and can anyone give an idea of a reasonable price to pay for a black, a British tan, and a mahogany in near mint condition? From looking around, it seems like the British tan is most sought after and so is more pricey.
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This one is authentic. This guide will help you determine the age of a bag: http://reviews.ebay.com/Coach-Serial-Numbers-the-Basic-Facts?ugid=10000000034886433
To determine the reasonable price to pay, you can look at the completed listings on ebay. You can usually get a better deal if the seller doesn't list it as a Willis but then you have to look through a lot of listings to find one.
 
#7,004
MEGM said:
Awesome. Thank you! Your expertise sure makes me feel more secure. Just think, if you guys charged a quarter for every piece of advice...
:) Have a good day, All.
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Funny you should mention that. Last night, DH asked me what I was doing and I said authenticating. He said do you get paid for that? :D
 
#7,005
Haha! That is funny bc my husband said the same thing! I told him about how my hunt for an authentic purse was riddled with challenges until I found this awesome thread. He agreed that it is very cool and said he couldn't believe you guys don't charge anything. Personally, I know I'd pay a small sum for the piece of mind. I can see how you guys have fun with this, though. It seems like a neat hobby. Btw, I found another Willis in Mahogany that I may post later if the seller upoads the creed.
 
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