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abbythefluter said:
Style number: 7052

I bought this tote off of craigslist several years ago. From what I can tell, it is authentic, but I've never seen another one like it. What do you know about it? I'm trying to post pics, but I'm not able to for some reason grrrr


Also, I just bought this the other day, and again, I have never seen another one like it. Thoughts?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/28072604020...NX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_500wt_1287
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You might be having trouble posting pictures if your images are too big.

Open a free photobucket or other picture hosting account and upload pictures to there. Then post the IMG links and the pictures will be embedded in your post.

As for the listing you just won, it's impossible to authenticate with just one picture. Please request a picture of the creed patch.
 
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BeenBurned said:
You might be having trouble posting pictures if your images are too big.

Open a free photobucket or other picture hosting account and upload pictures to there. Then post the IMG links and the pictures will be embedded in your post.

As for the listing you just won, it's impossible to authenticate with just one picture. Please request a picture of the creed patch.
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Thanks for your help! Here they are:

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As for the bag I just bought, it is already on its way and I should have it in a couple days. I'll put up a picture of the creed and stuff then if I'm still unsure.
 
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Hyacinth said:
I want to bring up something that there's still some disagreement on - not for the poster who asked but just as general information.

Every "authenticity guide" including one of the very few reasonably accurate ones by an actual Coach expert says that Coach has never made bags in Thailand. Ever since I looked at the first photos of bags with Thai creeds several years ago I've doubted that statement, and I've mentioned Thailand as a probable place of manufacture many times in my posts and Guides.

These photos are a good example. The Thai creeds that I believe to be genuine usually have L or R plants codes, neither of which was ever legitimately used by any other plant that I've found, and they all state Thailand to be the country of manufacture. A fakes maker would have used a USA or even a China creed and plant code to make their fakes look more genuine.

The Thai bags seem to be limited to a dozen or so from the Travel and Business line, the creeds that I've seen are all valid for the styles and construction of the bags they're in, and the details on all the bags are absolutely correct. I HAVE seen one or two fakes with Thai creeds but they're OBVIOUS fakes and have a lot more wrong with them than just the creeds.

The Coach expert who believes that Thai Coach bags don't exist got her information from someone at Coach, who also told her that Coach DID make bags in Korea. Now since every Korean-stamped bag we've ever seen is fake, and almost every Thai-stamped bag I've ever seen looks genuine, I've got to believe that once again some horse's patoot at Coach got things completely wrong. I think the Thai plant only operated for a few years since the only creeds I've found have been dated between 2000 and 2003. It's probably a safe guess that Coach decided that producing those styles in China was much cheaper and closed the Thai plant as quietly as they'd opened it.

There's one final indicator in the photos that Moyas2005 posted. And while we all know (I hope) that anything a maker can make, a faker can fake, a really accurate outlet bullet stamp especially one in an 8-year old bag is almost unheard-of. The stamp doesn't and can't prove the bag's genuine, but the odds of that stamp being real are pretty strong.

Maybe now I won't be the only person who believes it. ;)
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** I thank you very much for your information and opinions. You have been very helpful and I will do some more research. This forum is just great!
-- One satisfied user - Moya
 
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abbythefluter said:
Thanks for your help! Here they are:

ry%3D400


ry%3D400



As for the bag I just bought, it is already on its way and I should have it in a couple days. I'll put up a picture of the creed and stuff then if I'm still unsure.
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Hmm. I'm leaning toward fake on this one for a couple of reasons. (Hyacinth is the expert on factory codes so please wait for her on that part of my "issue.")

The style number on the creed is correct for the style of bag but that doesn't prove authenticity.

1. The stitching on the creed is a bit sloppy
2. There are run-on words in the text of the creed
3. Although this is an older bag (from 2004 according to the serial number), it's not unusual to have difficulty finding listings for it. However, every bag in this style that I found was listed or shown on fake-selling websites and all had the identical date and factory codes.

I hope someone else might chime in to voice an opinion.
 
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abbythefluter said:
Thanks for your help! Here they are:

ry%3D400


ry%3D400



As for the bag I just bought, it is already on its way and I should have it in a couple days. I'll put up a picture of the creed and stuff then if I'm still unsure.
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CORRECTION TO MY ORIGINAL POST:
Speaking ONLY of the tote you bought a few years ago:

Along with the problems BeenBurned mentioned I'm concerned about the plant code M and also about the year code which should be "04" with a zero, not with the letter"O" and that's not the sort of mistake that should have been made. I'm also seeing what could be sloppy and uneven stitching on the leather straps and trim.
 
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Originally Posted by Hyacinth I want to bring up something that there's still some disagreement on - not for the poster who asked but just as general information.

Every "authenticity guide" including one of the very few reasonably accurate ones by an actual Coach expert says that Coach has never made bags in Thailand. Ever since I looked at the first photos of bags with Thai creeds several years ago I've doubted that statement, and I've mentioned Thailand as a probable place of manufacture many times in my posts and Guides.

These photos are a good example. The Thai creeds that I believe to be genuine usually have L or R plants codes, neither of which was ever legitimately used by any other plant that I've found, and they all state Thailand to be the country of manufacture. A fakes maker would have used a USA or even a China creed and plant code to make their fakes look more genuine.

The Thai bags seem to be limited to a dozen or so from the Travel and Business line, the creeds that I've seen are all valid for the styles and construction of the bags they're in, and the details on all the bags are absolutely correct. I HAVE seen one or two fakes with Thai creeds but they're OBVIOUS fakes and have a lot more wrong with them than just the creeds.

The Coach expert who believes that Thai Coach bags don't exist got her information from someone at Coach, who also told her that Coach DID make bags in Korea. Now since every Korean-stamped bag we've ever seen is fake, and almost every Thai-stamped bag I've ever seen looks genuine, I've got to believe that once again some horse's patoot at Coach got things completely wrong. I think the Thai plant only operated for a few years since the only creeds I've found have been dated between 2000 and 2003. It's probably a safe guess that Coach decided that producing those styles in China was much cheaper and closed the Thai plant as quietly as they'd opened it.

There's one final indicator in the photos that Moyas2005 posted. And while we all know (I hope) that anything a maker can make, a faker can fake, a really accurate outlet bullet stamp especially one in an 8-year old bag is almost unheard-of. The stamp doesn't and can't prove the bag's genuine, but the odds of that stamp being real are pretty strong.

Maybe now I won't be the only person who believes it. ;)

moyas2005 said:
** I thank you very much for your information and opinions. You have been very helpful and I will do some more research. This forum is just great!
-- One satisfied user - Moya
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You're welcome :smile1:
 
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