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Thanks so much. Now one other question has risen as I read later posts today. I believe you made the statement that "galley was one of the most copied bags and that they had not been made in 8 years by Coach". So how so many "NWT" are appearing on eBay right now? Confused!
Hi, I've got sort of a 2 part question. 1st, I wonder if someone can authenticate this bag for me?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTH-COACH-...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=7397271379122313830
I'm curious about 2 things on this specific listing. In other pics I've seen of the Audrey satchel, 1/, the double handles are flat, not rolled like this one, and 2/ there's the Coach horse & carriage hardware above the Coach name on others, but no on this one. Those two things make me wonder about this specific bag.
Now to part 2; I've seen an identical bag in a local 2nd hand store and I. want. it.
Problem - it's listed as "faux" on the tag. From what I recall, it's identical to the bag in the eBay listing above, except I don't recall seeing an authentication thingy (saw the proper name a sec ago but forget - the leather "plate" inside stamped w/ info) inside the bag.
It's in a really gorgeous subtle metallic "leather" (feels genuine, but ... ??). It's selling for $50 and is in really good shape but the lady there today (not the owner) says their Coaches usually sell for at least $150. I know Coach does metallics, but don't know anything about the colour spectrum. This one is a soft, subtle golden glowy shade and the leather is smooooth like butter. Also, the interior is lavender, which I have seen in genuine Coaches in the Coach stores.
I noticed the authentic Coach shoulder strap right away, and pegged it as Coach before I even saw the logo plate (same as in the pic of the eBay listing), but like I said, they've got it tagged as faux.
I'm not a label snob, but I do object to fake name brands and I'd rather spend $50 on a nice no-name bag, than a fake anything, no matter how much I love it!
Would appreciate as much input as possible from the info I've posted and am happy to answer questions if I've left anything out. I'd sooo love this bag to be genuine! Thanks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTH-COACH-...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=7397271379122313830
I'm curious about 2 things on this specific listing. In other pics I've seen of the Audrey satchel, 1/, the double handles are flat, not rolled like this one, and 2/ there's the Coach horse & carriage hardware above the Coach name on others, but no on this one. Those two things make me wonder about this specific bag.
Now to part 2; I've seen an identical bag in a local 2nd hand store and I. want. it.
Problem - it's listed as "faux" on the tag. From what I recall, it's identical to the bag in the eBay listing above, except I don't recall seeing an authentication thingy (saw the proper name a sec ago but forget - the leather "plate" inside stamped w/ info) inside the bag. It's in a really gorgeous subtle metallic "leather" (feels genuine, but ... ??). It's selling for $50 and is in really good shape but the lady there today (not the owner) says their Coaches usually sell for at least $150. I know Coach does metallics, but don't know anything about the colour spectrum. This one is a soft, subtle golden glowy shade and the leather is smooooth like butter. Also, the interior is lavender, which I have seen in genuine Coaches in the Coach stores.
I noticed the authentic Coach shoulder strap right away, and pegged it as Coach before I even saw the logo plate (same as in the pic of the eBay listing), but like I said, they've got it tagged as faux.
I'm not a label snob, but I do object to fake name brands and I'd rather spend $50 on a nice no-name bag, than a fake anything, no matter how much I love it!
Would appreciate as much input as possible from the info I've posted and am happy to answer questions if I've left anything out. I'd sooo love this bag to be genuine! Thanks.
Thank you so much. I guess i'am going to have a trip to the coach factory outlet instead.
Hi, I've got sort of a 2 part question. 1st, I wonder if someone can authenticate this bag for me?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTH-COACH-...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=7397271379122313830
I'm curious about 2 things on this specific listing. In other pics I've seen of the Audrey satchel, 1/, the double handles are flat, not rolled like this one, and 2/ there's the Coach horse & carriage hardware above the Coach name on others, but no on this one. Those two things make me wonder about this specific bag.
Now to part 2; I've seen an identical bag in a local 2nd hand store and I. want. it.
It's in a really gorgeous subtle metallic "leather" (feels genuine, but ... ??). It's selling for $50 and is in really good shape but the lady there today (not the owner) says their Coaches usually sell for at least $150. I know Coach does metallics, but don't know anything about the colour spectrum. This one is a soft, subtle golden glowy shade and the leather is smooooth like butter. Also, the interior is lavender, which I have seen in genuine Coaches in the Coach stores.
I noticed the authentic Coach shoulder strap right away, and pegged it as Coach before I even saw the logo plate (same as in the pic of the eBay listing), but like I said, they've got it tagged as faux.
I'm not a label snob, but I do object to fake name brands and I'd rather spend $50 on a nice no-name bag, than a fake anything, no matter how much I love it!
Would appreciate as much input as possible from the info I've posted and am happy to answer questions if I've left anything out. I'd sooo love this bag to be genuine! Thanks.
I'm sure other posters will have comments so I'll just stick to the things I'm qualified to comment on.
First of all, NEVER depend on a seller to get things like style names and serial numbers correct. The reason the details don't match other Audreys is because it's not an Audrey, it's a less expensive variation made for the Outlet store called an ASHLEY Satchel. The letter F at the start of the second half of the serial number indicates a bag made for the Factory Outlet stores. If you scroll down the description a bit you'll see the Ashley name. The seller may have re-used a template for a similar bag and forgot to remove the Audrey name, or they might just have made a mistake. The Ashleys and most bags made for the Factory Stores usually won't have Carriage logos.
Second, don't ever EVER depend on what you refer to as a "logo plate" to prove that any Coach is genuine. All that is is an embossed leather patch called a creed patch and most fakes above the level of Canal Street Specials will have one, often one that's a pretty good copy of the genuine version. The same holds for straps - how hard do you think it is for professional handbag counterfeiters to make a good-to-perfect copy of a Coach strap - or any other part of the bag, or wallet, or anything else made by Coach? It takes more than similar patches and straps to prove a bag is genuine.
The one you're looking at in the second-hand store will need a set of clear photos to authenticate it. But if it's a full size handbag and DOESN'T have any kind of patch inside, it's fake. Only small accessory items like Pouches and Swingpacks are sometimes made without creed patches. And if it's fake but says Coach anywhere on the bag, selling it is a federal offense, it doesn't matter if the price tag says "faux".
Hi Hyacinth, thanks so much for your comments. Now I'm even more confuzed (my bad, not yours!)
So to clarify, I was confusing what's clearly called an Ashley, in the eBay seller's listing, w/ Audreys I saw elsewhere. I guess I just saw two words starting w/ A ending w/ "ey" and saw the same word. Oops. Bad eye / brain connection! Obviously they're not the same bag.
Therefore, starting over, is this "Ashley" a genuine - albiet lesser cache category of the brand - Coach?? You said "made for outlet stores". So does Coach itself make a lower priced line and could both the eBay bag and the one I'm seeing in the 2nd hand store be from this genuine but lower priced line?
Would the potentially genuine Ashley have rolled handles and a Coach logo plate on the front with just the logo and no coach & horsie? If it is a member of the lesser label family, would it still have a leather creed patch inside (have to go back and check for that at the store).
Bottom line, I guess, do you think the eBay listing is a genuine, lower priced, outlet level "Ashley"?, (if there is such a thing) (there is a leather creed patch shown in the pictures further down in the listing), because if it is, I think my 2nd hand store one is also.
So to clarify, I was confusing what's clearly called an Ashley, in the eBay seller's listing, w/ Audreys I saw elsewhere. I guess I just saw two words starting w/ A ending w/ "ey" and saw the same word. Oops. Bad eye / brain connection! Obviously they're not the same bag.
Therefore, starting over, is this "Ashley" a genuine - albiet lesser cache category of the brand - Coach?? You said "made for outlet stores". So does Coach itself make a lower priced line and could both the eBay bag and the one I'm seeing in the 2nd hand store be from this genuine but lower priced line?
Would the potentially genuine Ashley have rolled handles and a Coach logo plate on the front with just the logo and no coach & horsie? If it is a member of the lesser label family, would it still have a leather creed patch inside (have to go back and check for that at the store).
Bottom line, I guess, do you think the eBay listing is a genuine, lower priced, outlet level "Ashley"?, (if there is such a thing) (there is a leather creed patch shown in the pictures further down in the listing), because if it is, I think my 2nd hand store one is also.
Sorry about the double post - has the edit timeframe changed 'cause it's only 15 mins later & I don't see an edit option in my post above.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure this page, almost half way down, has 4 pics of the same bag that's here in the 2nd hand store, i.e. Ashley Leather Satchel, bone, gold.
http://coachchics.blogspot.ca/2011/01/new-coach-ashley-satchel-bonegold.html
If it's genuine but outlet specific Coach, is it genuine leather (this site says it is, but ... ?), or maybe that's what's "faux" per the tag in the store. Oh, booger. It sure would be easier to just walk into a Coach store!, but we don't have outlets around here (east of Toronto, Canada) and it wouldn't be 50 bucks new!!
Anyway, I'm pretty sure this page, almost half way down, has 4 pics of the same bag that's here in the 2nd hand store, i.e. Ashley Leather Satchel, bone, gold.
http://coachchics.blogspot.ca/2011/01/new-coach-ashley-satchel-bonegold.html
If it's genuine but outlet specific Coach, is it genuine leather (this site says it is, but ... ?), or maybe that's what's "faux" per the tag in the store. Oh, booger. It sure would be easier to just walk into a Coach store!, but we don't have outlets around here (east of Toronto, Canada) and it wouldn't be 50 bucks new!!
If you do an Ebay Search for "Coach ashley" you'll find plenty of genuine bags to compare it to. The one in the listing you referred to is probably genuine although that particular seller has been known to sell fakes.
Coach makes many less expensive lines for their outlets. And on the subject of names, they also re-use them for both similar and dissimilar styles so comparing something based just on the name of a style is never a good idea and will usually lead to a wrong conclusion.
There's an outlet in Niagara Falls on the Canadian side. If you're ever in that area it might be worth checking into.
Again, please don't assume that because a bag has a patch and similar details, that it's genuine. Modern fakes often are so close to genuine bags that they can't be spotted by just a quick inspection - that's why we have this thread. You'll notice only a few people answer questions about authenticity, because spotting fakes isn't something you can learn from an internet "authenticity guide" or from a cursory comparison to a genuine bag, and only a few people here are experienced enough and qualified enough to do it. That's also why we insist that authenticity requests include a full set of photos of the bag, wallet, keychain, shoes, whatever, in question. NOTHING can be authenticated without photos.
So I'm not even going to begin to speculate on the bag you saw in the store, other to say that having a creed patch or any other Coach detail does absolutely nothing to prove that it's genuine, but NOT having one of the details makes it almost certain that it's fake. Don't ever assume that fakes manufacturers miss important details like that - counterfeit manufacturing is a multi-billion dollar business and the most successful makers didn't get that way by neglecting the obvious.
You may want to do a little reading about some basic authenticity details here:
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea_W0QQcpnameZmembersQQprZsaleareaQQuqtZg
I'm not sure exactly which post(s) you're referring to but I'm assuming that you are talking about style 1443. Style 1443 was a specific style of gallery tote and that particular style and another similar, 8K49 were very highly and well faked.
Coach makes many different gallery totes. It's a popular size and style so there are probably quite a few listed. Although you want to be careful that any online purchase is authentic, I was referring to those particular style numbers.
Hi, I've got sort of a 2 part question. 1st, I wonder if someone can authenticate this bag for me?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTH-COACH-...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=7397271379122313830
I'm curious about 2 things on this specific listing. In other pics I've seen of the Audrey satchel, 1/, the double handles are flat, not rolled like this one, and 2/ there's the Coach horse & carriage hardware above the Coach name on others, but no on this one. Those two things make me wonder about this specific bag.
Now to part 2; I've seen an identical bag in a local 2nd hand store and I. want. it.
It's in a really gorgeous subtle metallic "leather" (feels genuine, but ... ??). It's selling for $50 and is in really good shape but the lady there today (not the owner) says their Coaches usually sell for at least $150. I know Coach does metallics, but don't know anything about the colour spectrum. This one is a soft, subtle golden glowy shade and the leather is smooooth like butter. Also, the interior is lavender, which I have seen in genuine Coaches in the Coach stores.
I noticed the authentic Coach shoulder strap right away, and pegged it as Coach before I even saw the logo plate (same as in the pic of the eBay listing), but like I said, they've got it tagged as faux.
I'm not a label snob, but I do object to fake name brands and I'd rather spend $50 on a nice no-name bag, than a fake anything, no matter how much I love it!
Would appreciate as much input as possible from the info I've posted and am happy to answer questions if I've left anything out. I'd sooo love this bag to be genuine! Thanks.
Hyacinth covered most of your questions so I'll just comment that the bag in the listing in question (from Linda*s***stuff) looks good.
Originally Posted by sunbyrd 
Thanks so much. Now one other question has risen as I read later posts today. I believe you made the statement that "galley was one of the most copied bags and that they had not been made in 8 years by Coach". So how so many "NWT" are appearing on eBay right now? Confused!
I was referring to that specific bag, and said so in my post:
"Many of the styles like the 1443 Gallery Tote, the Sig Stripe Totes 10124 and 10125, and the 10619 Carly are at the top of the list of the most counterfeited bags in Coach history. The Gallery Totes haven't even been made by Coach at least, for almost EIGHT YEARS (and none were made by Coach in Black BTW, so how does this seller have any?) and 5 years for the Carly."
Sorry it wasn't clearer.
Thanks so much. Now one other question has risen as I read later posts today. I believe you made the statement that "galley was one of the most copied bags and that they had not been made in 8 years by Coach". So how so many "NWT" are appearing on eBay right now? Confused! I was referring to that specific bag, and said so in my post:
"Many of the styles like the 1443 Gallery Tote, the Sig Stripe Totes 10124 and 10125, and the 10619 Carly are at the top of the list of the most counterfeited bags in Coach history. The Gallery Totes haven't even been made by Coach at least, for almost EIGHT YEARS (and none were made by Coach in Black BTW, so how does this seller have any?) and 5 years for the Carly."
Sorry it wasn't clearer.
You're welcome.
I'm responding to this post after having commented on the Ashley bag in the listing you asked about. (I think that the bag in the listing is fine.)
Ashley bags have the script "Coach" logo on the front.
Audrey bags and a similar style, Sabrina bag have a horse and carriage logo.
There are tons of fake wannabe Audrey and Sabrina (with the HAC - horse and carriage plaque) and some are very "good" fakes. Those good fakes have creeds with valid serial numbers, fonts that are as "good" as a genuine creed and they need to be looked at carefully.
As for the bag you saw in a second-hand store, my suggestion is to buy it, post clear pictures here for authentication and if it turns out to be fake, march it back to the store and demand a full refund.
Whether they sell as authentic or as "faux" is irrelevant. The law is very clear. Selling fakes is illegal and it's the seller's responsibility to make sure that any item they sell is legal or they can't put it on the selling floor.
I must have completely missed that post you referred to and that you made. I should read before commenting.
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