Authenticate this COACH

[BeenBurned]

And now for those pesky scribble items (I'm not particularly bothered by some dirt wear around the corners and bottom - 99% of the time it will come clean enough to carry - and I realize I'm buying a USED bag, I care that it's AUTHENTIC!)

1. Item: Coach Hampton Scribble Diaper/Weekender Tote
Listing #: 220706828159
Seller: addiek01
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Hampton-S...ultDomain_0&hash=item336326ef7f#ht_528wt_1139
Comment - The newness and feedback % is a red flag.

2. Item: Coach Scribble Diaper Bag/ Tote
Listing #: 290509498346
Seller: kudoscass21
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Scribble-...WH_Handbags&hash=item43a3b727ea#ht_565wt_1139
Comment - The newness of the seller is a red flag for me.

3. Item: Coach Scribble Patchwork Purse/Tote+ Matching Wristlet
Listing #: 150530515280
Seller: shellovesjon
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Scribble-...WH_Handbags&hash=item230c516150#ht_500wt_1156
Comment: (edited out)

4. Item: Coach Patchwork Scribble Tote and Matching Case
Listing#: 220707830951
Seller: bonton43
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Patchwork...WH_Handbags&hash=item3363363ca7#ht_500wt_1156
Comment - (edited out) -0- bidders.

These auctions have plenty of time left - and if I don't get these, there will always be more!

Thank you in advance for any help! I'm so glad to have found a place that I'm NOT the "weird" girl with a purse obsession!

Can anyone offer some suggestions for scribble items? I love the colors and the light fun look of this design, but also know it would be very easy to fake!

I just saw that comments on price or condition are taboo! Edited them out!

I fixed your links. When posting links to the listing, just highlight the URL in the address bar and copy and paste it.

1. Bag is authentic although creed should be shown. Seller has lots of pictures showing discoloration and soil so buyers should know what to expect.

As for the feedback, with a low-feedback seller, one neg can make she feedback score appear a lot worse than it is. In a case like this, the comments both from the buyer and seller are important to consider.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

2. It looks fine although a creed photo should be shown. The low BIN might either take into account that the bag is used or, more likely, as a new seller, she might not realize the full impact of ebay and paypal fees.

All buyers and sellers started with 0-feedback and work their way up.

3 and 4. I don't see red flags but there aren't enough pictures. We need to see a picture of front, back, creed photo, a picture of the inside and linings of both items and pictures of the handles/straps.

Regarding your comment about scribble bags being easy to fake, that's an understatement. There are lots of fakes in those patterns.

 

[Hyacinth]

And now for those pesky scribble items (I'm not particularly bothered by some dirt wear around the corners and bottom - 99% of the time it will come clean enough to carry - and I realize I'm buying a USED bag, I care that it's AUTHENTIC!)

Item: Coach Hampton Scribble Diaper/Weekender Tote
Listing #: 336326ef7f#ht_528wt_1139
Seller: addiek01
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Hampton-Sc...#ht_528wt_1139
Comment - The newness and feedback % is a red flag.

Item: Coach Scribble Diaper Bag/ Tote
Listing #: 43a3b727ea#ht_565wt_1139
Seller: kudoscass21
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Scribble-D...#ht_565wt_1139
Comment - The newness of the seller is a red flag for me.

Item: Coach Scribble Patchwork Purse/Tote+ Matching Wristlet
Listing #: 230c516150#ht_500wt_1156
Seller: shellovesjon
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Scribble-P...#ht_500wt_1156
Comment: (edited out)

Item: Coach Patchwork Scribble Tote and Matching Case
Listing#: 3363363ca7#ht_500wt_1156
Seller: bonton43
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Patchwork-...#ht_500wt_1156
Comment - (edited out) -0- bidders.

These auctions have plenty of time left - and if I don't get these, there will always be more!

Thank you in advance for any help! I'm so glad to have found a place that I'm NOT the "weird" girl with a purse obsession!

Can anyone offer some suggestions for scribble items? I love the colors and the light fun look of this design, but also know it would be very easy to fake!

I just saw that comments on price or condition are taboo! Edited them out!

I don't know if it's on your end or the forum's, but none of your links are working for me and the listing numbers are a jumble of letters and numbers instead of all numbers like they should be. Don't copy the listing number from the URL, copy it from the listing. It should only be 12 numbers. Click on the "Other item Info" link if the number isn't in the listing, just Copy & Paste it.


If anyone else is having trouble, maybe you can repost?

 

[BeenBurned]

I don't know if it's on your end or the forum's, but none of your links are working for me and the listing numbers are a jumble of letters and numbers instead of all numbers like they should be. Don't copy the listing number from the URL, copy it from the listing. It should only be 12 numbers.


If anyone else is having trouble, maybe you can repost?

Done!

 

[Cinderela]

I fixed your links. When posting links to the listing, just highlight the URL in the address bar and copy and paste it.

1. Bag is authentic although creed should be shown. Seller has lots of pictures showing discoloration and soil so buyers should know what to expect.

As for the feedback, with a low-feedback seller, one neg can make she feedback score appear a lot worse than it is. In a case like this, the comments both from the buyer and seller are important to consider.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

2. It looks fine although a creed photo should be shown. The low BIN might either take into account that the bag is used or, more likely, as a new seller, she might not realize the full impact of ebay and paypal fees.

All buyers and sellers started with 0-feedback and work their way up.

3 and 4. I don't see red flags but there aren't enough pictures. We need to see a picture of front, back, creed photo, a picture of the inside and linings of both items and pictures of the handles/straps.

Regarding your comment about scribble bags being easy to fake, that's an understatement. There are lots of fakes in those patterns.

I don't know if it's on your end or the forum's, but none of your links are working for me and the listing numbers are a jumble of letters and numbers instead of all numbers like they should be. Don't copy the listing number from the URL, copy it from the listing. It should only be 12 numbers. Click on the "Other item Info" link if the number isn't in the listing, just Copy & Paste it.


If anyone else is having trouble, maybe you can repost?

Done!

Thank you so much! I really appreciate your patience with an extreme newbie! I will make sure I use the right number in the future - I was copying the item from the url bar!

I'll ask the sellers for more pictures of the last two bags and see how they respond.

Any hints regarding the scribble pattern so I don't have to post a request from EVERY potential item?

 

[Hyacinth]

Thanks Hyacinth, for the feedback and ideas. After I posted my question, I was doing some reading in other Coach threads and found out that Coach would replace a lost hangtag. As you pointed out, matching the color could be tricky otherwise, so I will try that first, and maybe dress her up with a scarf or something. The bag I bought is a 2001 Legacy Hobo 9058 (according to the TPF'r that authenticated it for me) and the only place I see that I could even put a hang tag would be on of the strap buckles. Is that where it should be? I was also wondering if Coach bags have always had hang tags or not.

Thanks so much for all your help and insight! Who knew purse shopping could be this complicated?!

Coach has always had hangtags, at least since the late 1960s. From Coach's photo it looks like the Legacy Hobo's tag was hung from the buckle. The one in the listing you were looking at - which as Been Burned said is probably fake or at least questionable, whether or not the seller is actually a tPF member - wouldn't have fit anyway. You need something thin like a ball chain to get the hangtag through the buckle since the strap fits it pretty closely, see Coach's photo below.

Unfortunately, buying something from someone who claims to be a tPF member, true or not, is no guarantee of honesty or authenticity. My apologies for not checking the seller's other listings more closely, I agree with Been Burned that seller ss262809 should be avoided.

 

[BeenBurned]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate your patience with an extreme newbie! I will make sure I use the right number in the future - I was copying the item from the url bar!

I'll ask the sellers for more pictures of the last two bags and see how they respond.

Any hints regarding the scribble pattern so I don't have to post a request from EVERY potential item?

You're welcome.

It's really difficult to give hints on recognizing fakes. There are so many variables, even on authentic items.

It might help if you read this post. http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-sh...enticity-questions-94198-24.html#post11763206

The important thing to remember about Coach (and probably many other brands) is that although there are "rules," nearly every rule has exceptions.

Also, there is a plethora of "authenticity guides" floating around the internet and most of those guides are about as useless as a sled in he!!. They are often incomplete, obsolete or just plain inaccurate. Some "authors" of these guide "wrote" the guides by copying and pasting the works of others.

 

[BeenBurned]

Unfortunately, buying something from someone who claims to be a tPF member, true or not, is no guarantee of honesty or authenticity. My apologies for not checking the seller's other listings more closely, I agree with Been Burned that seller ss262809 should be avoided.

LOL! In all the months I've been watching this seller's listings, I didn't even read that s/he claimed to be a tPF member. TBH, I honestly doubt that ss262809 because as a PF'er, that person would realize how people feel about the types of listings s/he has.

 

[Hyacinth]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate your patience with an extreme newbie! I will make sure I use the right number in the future - I was copying the item from the url bar!

I'll ask the sellers for more pictures of the last two bags and see how they respond.

Any hints regarding the scribble pattern so I don't have to post a request from EVERY potential item?

There are no hints about Scribbles simply because there are too many different styles, and some so-called "rules" apply to some and not others. The best thing to do is ask. And never bid on any that don't have a full set of photos including the inside, creed patch, outside patches, and the stitching and hardware.

 

[Cinderela]

You're welcome.

It's really difficult to give hints on recognizing fakes. There are so many variables, even on authentic items.

It might help if you read this post. http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-sh...enticity-questions-94198-24.html#post11763206

The important thing to remember about Coach (and probably many other brands) is that although there are "rules," nearly every rule has exceptions.

Also, there is a plethora of "authenticity guides" floating around the internet and most of those guides are about as useless as a sled in he!!. They are often incomplete, obsolete or just plain inaccurate. Some "authors" of these guide "wrote" the guides by copying and pasting the works of others.

When I first discovered Coach on *bay, I also discovered those "guides" really weren't worth anything! I also discovered the SA in my local store were even LESS help than the guides! Shouldn't be so, but it's true the clerks weren't very knowledgeable about their own products (to be fair, maybe it's just the store near me - I don't want to paint them all with the same brush).

The post you recommended was the first thing I read here! Luckily, because I did my due diligence, it seems what I have bought so far is authentic, except for one item I just got this week. Like an idiot, it's fakeness was staring me right in the face - C's not lined up on the front seam - CLEARLY showing in the picture for the auction! The weird part is, the bag is a really good quality bag - I would have bought it in a store - I mean, as a regular bag (I would never knowingly buy a fake.) Good construction, good leather, heavy hardware...........why the criminals that made this would bother with "replica" fabric on a bag that nice is beyond me. When I protested to the seller, they said they would take it back and refund me shipping both ways, so I guess it will turn out ok.

I'm feeling some confidence in my eye on most things except the scribble pattern (except the most obvious fakes!)............which is, of course, my favorite!

Thanks again for all the help - as I said earlier, I'm thrilled I've found a place where I'm not the weird girl with the purse obsession!

 

[Hyacinth]

BB, we're starting to sound like a Greek chorus!

Just more proof of that GMTA thing...

Cinderela, you're right about the average Coach SA knowing almost nothing about what she sells and especially about what was made in the last 20 or 30 years. No matter how much many of them will say they love Coach, unless they've spent every spare minute of their lives actually STUDYING Coach, they should just avoid giving advice. And Coach does nothing at all to train them since they don't want store employees trying to authenticate bags.

As some of us who HAVE spent years studying Coach have often been told by the crooks whose listings we report, we probably DO need to "get a life".

And for the sake of your sanity and your sensibilities, DON'T get me started about those %*&$#*?!!!! so-called "Authenticity Guides"...

 

[MayIBuyOneMore?]

I just bought a vintage bag to give as a gift, but it is missing it's hang tag. I would like to replace it, is this one real by any chance? The seller claims to be a TPF member, but... I just want to be sure.

New Coach leather key fob/hangtag navy blue gold fob
Seller: ss262809
Item# 170574017109
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170574017109&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


Also, could someone authenticate this bag for me please. I am positively drooling over it.

Coach Hamilton "purple" leather carryall purse $348
Seller: believe55
Item #: 290506888400
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-Hamilton-...400?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item43a38f54d0

I've watched seller ss262809 for some time and personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable doing business with the seller.

I've watched the seller sell hundreds of hangtags, some of which look "questionable," and most of which, if authentic would be next-to-impossible to get in the quantities that this seller has.

The stitching on this one raises red flags in my mind. And how did he get 9 of them to sell - all with such sloppy stitching? (3 were already sold and 6 more are available.)
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTH-New-Coach-...361?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b62a61a1

For a seller who doesn't even sell the corresponding handbags that went with the hangtags to have so many, the acquisition of those hangtags seems sketchy to me.

JMHO.

Coach has always had hangtags, at least since the late 1960s. From Coach's photo it looks like the Legacy Hobo's tag was hung from the buckle. The one in the listing you were looking at - which as Been Burned said is probably fake or at least questionable, whether or not the seller is actually a tPF member - wouldn't have fit anyway. You need something thin like a ball chain to get the hangtag through the buckle since the strap fits it pretty closely, see Coach's photo below.

Unfortunately, buying something from someone who claims to be a tPF member, true or not, is no guarantee of honesty or authenticity. My apologies for not checking the seller's other listings more closely, I agree with Been Burned that seller ss262809 should be avoided.

LOL! In all the months I've been watching this seller's listings, I didn't even read that s/he claimed to be a tPF member. TBH, I honestly doubt that ss262809 because as a PF'er, that person would realize how people feel about the types of listings s/he has.

Thanks for the reassurance. I felt guilty asking you to authenticate an item from someone claiming to be a TPF'r, but I know that claims can be false. Now I am just annoyed. It is despicable that a seller would falsely claim such a thing. It really degrades this site. I have personally sold 2 or 3 Coach bags on the bay, and I mentioned in my listings that I am a TPF member. In doing so, I realized that not everyone would know what that ment, but felt it would mean something to fellow members. Now I feel like that claim has been made worthless!

Hyacinth, thanks for the info about (and pic of) the Legacy Hobo, and for the help with the hang tag questions.

BeenBurned, thanks for steering me clear of that scoundral of a seller, and teaching me how to multiquote. Look at me now!

This is why I love you girls!

 

[Hyacinth]

Aaaaaaawwwww, shucks - thanks!

 

[Cinderela]

BB, we're starting to sound like a Greek chorus!

Just more proof of that GMTA thing...

Cinderela, you're right about the average Coach SA knowing almost nothing about what she sells and especially about what was made in the last 20 or 30 years. No matter how much many of them will say they love Coach, unless they've spent every spare minute of their lives actually STUDYING Coach, they should just avoid giving advice. And Coach does nothing at all to train them since they don't want store employees trying to authenticate bags.

As some of us who HAVE spent years studying Coach have often been told by the crooks whose listings we report, we probably DO need to "get a life".

And for the sake of your sanity and your sensibilities, DON'T get me started about those %*&$#*?!!!! so-called "Authenticity Guides"...

I figured out that MY local SA didn't know much when they told me they thought the bag I was carrying was "not totally authentic" (their words), when I had personally bought it the day before at a Factory store! And how something can be "not totally authentic" I do not understand! Either a bag *IS* authentic or it is *NOT* authentic! Also, the fact that she couldn't have been a day over 21 wasn't in her favor.

There is no substitute for experience - and no short cut, either. I can think of many, many worse things to do in life than reporting criminals and terrorists! I know I will now be reporting every fake I see - some of them are so ugly even a newbie like me can see it!

 

[BeenBurned]

The post you recommended was the first thing I read here! Luckily, because I did my due diligence, it seems what I have bought so far is authentic, except for one item I just got this week. Like an idiot, it's fakeness was staring me right in the face - C's not lined up on the front seam - CLEARLY showing in the picture for the auction! The weird part is, the bag is a really good quality bag - I would have bought it in a store - I mean, as a regular bag (I would never knowingly buy a fake.) Good construction, good leather, heavy hardware...........why the criminals that made this would bother with "replica" fabric on a bag that nice is beyond me. When I protested to the seller, they said they would take it back and refund me shipping both ways, so I guess it will turn out ok.

I'm glad the seller fully refunded you (including shipping) because if the bag was fake, you shouldn't be out any money due to a seller who knowingly or not sold a fake.

In the case you refer to, though, for 2 reasons, it would be helpful to see the listing for the item you bought.

Reason 1: There are even exceptions to the centered and matched C pattern

Reason 2: We like to verify whether the seller is dishonest enough to relist the bag, perhaps without "Coach" in the listing or with an authenticity disclaimer.

 

[BeenBurned]

BeenBurned, thanks for steering me clear of that scoundral of a seller, and teaching me how to multiquote. Look at me now!

This is why I love you girls!

You're welcome.