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RL Bernstein said:
If I recall correctly, the #9535 Saddlery Bag was introduced Summer of 1986. So it was in production the following year when Coach started moving production out of NYC to other facilities. I've a NYC-made #9790 City Bag from that period that has similar, as you put in, "wonky" stitching and should never have been let out of the factory. I'm suspecting that the quality of the bags produced during the time that the NYC employees knew that their jobs were "heading south" may have suffered a bit. But that's just my suspicion and I'd like to hear anyone else's opinion.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all, and although for Coach at least it might have been the first time that kind of thing happened, it sure wouldn't be the last. Between the sale by the Cahns of the family-owned company to mega-corp Sara Lee in 1985 and all the changes made due to the company's rapid expansion in the latter part of the 1980s, there could have been some unhappy employees.

This is just a possible example:
"In July 1985, the Cahns cemented an agreement with the Sara Lee Corporation, which also sold foodstuffs and hosiery. In return for a sum reported to be around $30 million, the conglomerate took control of the company's factory, its six boutiques, and its flagship store on Madison Avenue in New York. Sara Lee promised that it would continue to operate Coach in the way in which it had always been run. At the time of the sale, the Cahns split $1 million of the proceeds with 200 longtime employees, on the basis of their seniority..."

I imagine that shorter-term employees who weren't part of the "longest-200" or who felt they didn't get what they thought they deserved would have been PO'd.

BTW, for anyone who hasn't already found it, there's an excellent and probably very accurate history of the company posted here, and the timeline is really a big help in figuring out what was happening with Coach and their products at specific times. Highly recommended not just for Coach but for many other company histories. Most of the histories only go as far as the year 2000, but it still makes interesting reading:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/coach-inc-history/
 
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RL Bernstein said:
Good morning all. I happened upon this listing and have my suspicions and would like to test my "knowledge."

Item: Vintage Coach Sonoma Satchel in Chocolate BROWN Leather Creed # 4921 EUC Listing number: 131741495486
Seller: 1949treasures (2864 )
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/13174149548...1&exe=13926&ext=35633&sojTags=exe=exe,ext=ext

Comments:
Several red flags:

"B6B" and "Made in Italy" on the creed tag. Shouldn't the 2nd B in the ID should be an E since that's the plant code for Italian production? Doesn't a B in that third location communicates that the bag was made at COACH's Miami, FL (?) USA facility?

Shouldn't the lining should be Sonoma signature 1/8" wide gray & black stripes?

The dog-leash fittings at the ends of the straps are not at all like the the unique conical headed lobster-claw ones used by the Italians on the #4921 bags I've seen.

I was using the relevant page from the Spring 1997 catalog, as well as a November 1995 bag I have here as the basis for these observations. So what do y'all think?

Thanks for giving this a look.
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I agree, there are some serious problems with that bag. Along with the incorrect clips the strap leather seems to have almost no texture at all, although straps can be replaced, but I don't think that happened in this case.

The creed has the correct wording but the wrong plant code, and the creed stamping is so bad it's unreadable. The inside pocket has the wrong zipper pull, it should be egg-shaped. The leather trim around the inside pocket zipper doesn't look right eiither, the ends are round and almost pointed when they should be squared.

And so far, NONE of the creed and serial combinations I've found from the B plant, ranging from mid-1995 to mid-1996 and including Sonomas, Berkeleys, and classic leather bags, have serial fonts like the one in that listing.

Barring some almost impossible-to-imagine screw-up in that plant during that time period, I don't see how it can be genuine. I think it's safe to report it.
 
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Appreciate if someone authenticates this clutch. The name will be appreciated, too! The patch inside has only a picture of the horse and carriage. There's also a clip-on wrist loop, but I took it off to moisturize and can't find it. Purchased locally at an estate sale. Here're some pictures:
 

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Hyacinth said:
I agree, there are some serious problems with that bag. Along with the incorrect clips the strap leather seems to have almost no texture at all, although straps can be replaced, but I don't think that happened in this case.

The creed has the correct wording but the wrong plant code, and the creed stamping is so bad it's unreadable. The inside pocket has the wrong zipper pull, it should be egg-shaped. The leather trim around the inside pocket zipper doesn't look right eiither, the ends are round and almost pointed when they should be squared.

And so far, NONE of the creed and serial combinations I've found from the B plant, ranging from mid-1995 to mid-1996 and including Sonomas, Berkeleys, and classic leather bags, have serial fonts like the one in that listing.

Barring some almost impossible-to-imagine screw-up in that plant during that time period, I don't see how it can be genuine. I think it's safe to report it.
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Thank you for the confirmation.
 
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catthecurious said:
Appreciate if someone authenticates this clutch. The name will be appreciated, too! The patch inside has only a picture of the horse and carriage. There's also a clip-on wrist loop, but I took it off to moisturize and can't find it. Purchased locally at an estate sale. Here're some pictures:
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You might want to save your energy. It's fake.
jessicajones said:
Item: NICE COACH BLACK COLORED BACKPACK HANDBAG
Listing number: 152008819887
Seller: gonzales90
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/152008819887
Comments:

Item: BEAUTIFUL EXCELLENT CONDITION COACH BACKPACK DESIGNER BAG
Listing number: 141923642626
Seller: gonzales90
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/141923642626

Here is a purse I noticed at my local Goodwill, not in my possession, that I would appreciate being authenticated. Thank you!
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The first two are okay.

The third one is fake.
 
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Can someone please help me- I'm not familiar with coach bags, but I purchased this one to give to a friend who is moving overseas as a gift. I believe it's called a coach duffle bag, but I'm not sure it's authentic because I'm not sure about the creed. I like the bag, but I'm just worried that she will be insulted if I give her a fake bag
 

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HI5O said:
Happy afternoon everyone! I'm not familiar with this Coach line, but I believe it's from the Madison collection? Would you be able to provide a style name, number and color as well as authenticate this as well? Looks authentic but would like the experts take! Thanks so much!
http://s927.photobucket.com/user/popncrunch/library/Coach Madison
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It looks good. It is probably a 4401 Madison Carlyle. The color could be mandarin or maple.
 
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