Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[BeenBurned]

@Hyacinth or anyone who may know the answer to this question. I sent this message to Hyacinth but I'm sure she is bombarded with MANY personal messages daily so I figured I'd ask here.

You kindly authenticated a vintage coach for me a while ago. It was in the Authenticate This Coach thread. Page 238 post 3570 and post 3589. I truly appreciate that. I ended up selling it on a site and it was sent back to me for being inauthentic. I vehemently denied this and even used the thread as proof, but I doubt they even read the thread. The buyer used the creed stamp being faded as proof that it was not aunthentic, even though I addressed the creed being faded in the post, just as you told me to do. I write all of this to say, I BELIEVE YOU and I wanted to know if you knew of a reasonably priced authenticator of vintage coach bags, so that I can have SOLID proof its authentic. Thanks so much for even answering my original post. Be blessed.

Which site was this? Most sites don't have authenticators who know as much as we do about Coach. I'm afraid you will be fighting an uphill battle on this one because it has the wrong style number, as well as other problems. It also appears to be missing the period at the end of the first sentence, and the word "appearance" is split at an odd place. All of these things don't prove it is fake, but make it more difficult to prove it is authentic. I've never seen a Gracie that has a buckle on the strap. The inside zipper should have leather all around it. The back outside pocket should be curved, not straight across. The feet should be flat discs, not rounded.

Keep in mind that our authentications are opinions, not absolute fact. I have never seen a fake from the Madison collection that I can recall, and I would be very surprised that counterfeiters would attempt to counterfeit these, but I can't overlook all the discrepancies between your bag and others that I know are authentic.

ETA: Here are the links to original request: http://forum.purseblog.com/showpost.php?p=28292524&postcount=3562
http://forum.purseblog.com/showpost.php?p=28292550&postcount=3563
http://forum.purseblog.com/showpost.php?p=28292568&postcount=3564
http://forum.purseblog.com/showpost.php?p=28292585&postcount=3565
http://forum.purseblog.com/showpost.php?p=28292624&postcount=3566

ETA2: you didn't show how the shoulder strap attaches to the bag in your pictures. The end of the strap is the wrong shape, assuming the strap should have a buckle, which it shouldn't. Your strap has a grommet. Coach straps are sewn.

Although Madison isn't my area of expertise, I do think I'm pretty good with comparisons that can possibly help Hyacinth and Whateve with their evaluations.

This is the creed from your bag, followed by other A5E (same month/year/plant) creeds. The stitching and the fonts are different. And there's a big difference in the "A" month code.

YOUR CREED:

A5E CREEDS:

The following listing is for an L5E (same year and plant, different month) and although we can't read the creed, I don't see the stitching issues your creed shows. This creed is the correct style number, 4413.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coa...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

[BeenBurned]

Although Madison isn't my area of expertise, I do think I'm pretty good with comparisons that can possibly help Hyacinth and Whateve with their evaluations.

This is the creed from your bag, followed by other A5E (same month/year/plant) creeds. The stitching and the fonts are different. And there's a big difference in the "A" month code.

YOUR CREED:

A5E CREEDS:

The following listing is for an L5E (same year and plant, different month) and although we can't read the creed, I don't see the stitching issues your creed shows:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coa...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Here's Hyacinth's authentication and although Hyacinth seemed (at the time) to believe Coach erred in stamping the serial with the wrong style, my humble opinion is that this isn't a Coach error. I don't believe the bag is authentic.
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-sh...e-before-posting-889527-238.html#post28292783

ETA: This is another creed for a different month with different text on the creed, very different creed quality and stitching:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coa...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

[Hyacinth]

@Hyacinth or anyone who may know the answer to this question. I sent this message to Hyacinth but I'm sure she is bombarded with MANY personal messages daily so I figured I'd ask here.

You kindly authenticated a vintage coach for me a while ago. It was in the Authenticate This Coach thread. Page 238 post 3570 and post 3589. I truly appreciate that. I ended up selling it on a site and it was sent back to me for being inauthentic. I vehemently denied this and even used the thread as proof, but I doubt they even read the thread. The buyer used the creed stamp being faded as proof that it was not aunthentic, even though I addressed the creed being faded in the post, just as you told me to do. I write all of this to say, I BELIEVE YOU and I wanted to know if you knew of a reasonably priced authenticator of vintage coach bags, so that I can have SOLID proof its authentic. Thanks so much for even answering my original post. Be blessed.

It does look as if I may have made a mistake, and I deeply apologise. I've only ever seen one fake from the Madison line and the differences were obvious. Small differences in Italian bags have been seen before, and straps can be replaced with straps from a different style bag in the same line, but when the bag has the correct leather and other details found in genuine bags I tend to make allowances for changeable things like straps. And it doesn't help that there are even one or two discrepancies in Coach's own catalog photos of Madison bags.

My instincts still lean toward the bag being genuine but there are definitely discrepancies that I should have given more weight to. Again, I apologise. As Whateve said, we sometimes do make mistakes and I may have made one here.

ETA - I'm still curious about how the strap is mounted and wonder if there is any indication on the underside of the flap at the top of the bag (the same panel where the top handle is mounted) that there might have been a different kind of attachment for the long strap there at one time. Probably not, since the comparisons posted seem to show too many differences that can't be explained away.

 

[whateve]

This seller has a few keychains I don't remember seeing before:
chbol1992
Coach Multi-Sneaker Keychain
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Multi...968806?hash=item43ea9d08e6:g:5c0AAOSwoBtW12so
291698968806
Coach Blue & White Handbag Keychain
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Blue-...967499?hash=item43ea9d03cb:g:ViMAAOSwzgRW12n3
291698967499
If you have style numbers, I'd appreciate it.

 

[BeenBurned]

This seller has a few keychains I don't remember seeing before:
chbol1992
Coach Multi-Sneaker Keychain
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Multi...968806?hash=item43ea9d08e6:g:5c0AAOSwoBtW12so
291698968806
Coach Blue & White Handbag Keychain
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Blue-...967499?hash=item43ea9d03cb:g:ViMAAOSwzgRW12n3
291698967499
If you have style numbers, I'd appreciate it.

Both look good. I'll be back to see if I can get style numbers.

 

[Hyacinth]

This seller has a few keychains I don't remember seeing before:
chbol1992
Coach Multi-Sneaker Keychain
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Multi...968806?hash=item43ea9d08e6:g:5c0AAOSwoBtW12so
291698968806
Coach Blue & White Handbag Keychain
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Blue-...967499?hash=item43ea9d03cb:g:ViMAAOSwzgRW12n3
291698967499
If you have style numbers, I'd appreciate it.

Both look good. I'll be back to see if I can get style numbers.

The Sneakers are 92733 and the Tote Charm is 94056, unless it's an MFF remake.

 

[whateve]

Both look good. I'll be back to see if I can get style numbers.

The Sneakers are 92733 and the Tote Charm is 94056, unless it's an MFF remake.

Thank you both!

 

[quinna]

Am I nuts, or is this borough fake?

Item: Coach Borough Vermillion Bar Satchel
Listing number:161995159154
Seller: elpoophoe10
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Borou...159154?hash=item25b7a9f672:g:WeIAAOSwv9hW11gv
Comments: Everything about this just looks slightly off including the creed spacing. Plus the creeds I've seen in the authentic versions of this are black. Just wanted to double check since I've rarely come across fake Boroughs.

 

[Andalucian]

Hi there. Just received this Coach Court bag from eBay, and I'm not convinced it's authentic. I'll try to get some actual photos, but at the moment I'm not having much luck - it's awfully dark to be photographing a black bag.

Item: Vintage Coach Court bag
Listing number: eBay 161990424248
Seller: coachclassics
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-COACH-Black-Leather-Vintage-Crossbody-Court-Bag-Purse-Tote-9870-USA-/161990424248?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=ucBp0Hfau5aDzAtxg%252FbU23riApk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Comments: The photo of the creed on the auction isn't terribly clear, but the serial number is BIN-9870. Seller claims it's from 1999 or 2000, which doesn't seem to go with the serial number. Hangtag is still attached with price loop, as shown - Coach logo on the hangtag is crooked with uneven letters and very unclear "H". The biggest flag for me is what's shown in the second to last photo - there's a big overlap in the "piping" right in the middle of the front (underneath the main flap).

Hope this comes up correctly. Thanks for any help you can provide!

 

[BeenBurned]

Am I nuts, or is this borough fake?

Item: Coach Borough Vermillion Bar Satchel
Listing number:161995159154
Seller: elpoophoe10
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Borou...159154?hash=item25b7a9f672:g:WeIAAOSwv9hW11gv
Comments: Everything about this just looks slightly off including the creed spacing. Plus the creeds I've seen in the authentic versions of this are black. Just wanted to double check since I've rarely come across fake Boroughs.

From what I've seen, the Borough bags are on par with Swagger bags with scary close fakes.

I don't believe the bag listed by elpoophoe10 is authentic. Other opinions are welcome.

This listing is for an authentic bag. The first image is a stock photo but the others are her own. In addition to the obvious creed differences, there are color differences (tan vs. gold) and lining fabric differences.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Coach-30354-Borough-Bag-in-Bar-Strip-Leather-GD-Vermillion-Multicolor-/111563477567?nma=true&si=e5%252FmhnY8mHuRcBA4Dvka7MQix4s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

The creed on the left is elpoophoe10. The one on the right is on an authentic bag.

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi there. Just received this Coach Court bag from eBay, and I'm not convinced it's authentic. I'll try to get some actual photos, but at the moment I'm not having much luck - it's awfully dark to be photographing a black bag.

Item: Vintage Coach Court bag
Listing number: eBay 161990424248
Seller: coachclassics
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-COACH-Black-Leather-Vintage-Crossbody-Court-Bag-Purse-Tote-9870-USA-/161990424248?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=ucBp0Hfau5aDzAtxg%252FbU23riApk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Comments: The photo of the creed on the auction isn't terribly clear, but the serial number is BIN-9870. Seller claims it's from 1999 or 2000, which doesn't seem to go with the serial number. Hangtag is still attached with price loop, as shown - Coach logo on the hangtag is crooked with uneven letters and very unclear "H". The biggest flag for me is what's shown in the second to last photo - there's a big overlap in the "piping" right in the middle of the front (underneath the main flap).

Hope this comes up correctly. Thanks for any help you can provide!

If the prefix is either BIN or B1N, the bag is definitely fake. (BIN is an INVALID prefix that's included on the fake serial number thread.)

ETA: I'm suspicious of the seller, coachclassics. NOt only do some of her listings have what appear to be purposely indistinct creeds but she also uses fake props. For example, the scarf shown in this listing is fake. And it's no surprise that there's no creed pic:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-COACH-...631568?hash=item2363f19310:g:gfIAAOSwoydWpq8R

and check out what she does to the serial number in this listing! While it might be authentic, a seller who sells this much Coach knows better.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Black...263748?hash=item25b77dc844:g:lW8AAOSwe7BWwiJx

 

[whateve]

Hi there. Just received this Coach Court bag from eBay, and I'm not convinced it's authentic. I'll try to get some actual photos, but at the moment I'm not having much luck - it's awfully dark to be photographing a black bag.

Item: Vintage Coach Court bag
Listing number: eBay 161990424248
Seller: coachclassics
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-COACH-...u5aDzAtxg%2FbU23riApk%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Comments: The photo of the creed on the auction isn't terribly clear, but the serial number is BIN-9870. Seller claims it's from 1999 or 2000, which doesn't seem to go with the serial number. Hangtag is still attached with price loop, as shown - Coach logo on the hangtag is crooked with uneven letters and very unclear "H". The biggest flag for me is what's shown in the second to last photo - there's a big overlap in the "piping" right in the middle of the front (underneath the main flap).

Hope this comes up correctly. Thanks for any help you can provide!

If it is BIN, it is fake, as BeenBurned said. I'd like to see the seller give you double your money back as promised in her listing. Let us know if she does.

 

[Andalucian]

If it is BIN, it is fake, as BeenBurned said. I'd like to see the seller give you double your money back as promised in her listing. Let us know if she does.

Afraid she isn't. She's claiming this forum is lying. It looks like I'm expected to pay return shipping on the purse, and I got this comment: "I will be relisting this bag and sure hope you don't leave me negative feedback or even suggest that it is a fake. I am a Christian, I know the origin of the bag and have never run into this before."

 

[BeenBurned]

Afraid she isn't. She's claiming this forum is lying. It looks like I'm expected to pay return shipping on the purse, and I got this comment: "I will be relisting this bag and sure hope you don't leave me negative feedback or even suggest that it is a fake. I am a Christian, I know the origin of the bag and have never run into this before."

Okay, it's bad enough that coachclassics sold a fake. But to back down on her double-your-money-back guarantee plus making you pay return shipping for a fake IMO earned her a BIG RED NEGATIVE feedback.

Perhaps if ebay removes the listing for the fake, she'll get the message.

Please leave feedback because if the listing is removed, you won't be able to leave it after the removal.

At this point, file a dispute by requesting a return for counterfeit item. (Be sure to choose counterfeit as the reason.) WHen you win the dispute, the seller's account will be dinged and the seller will have to pay return shipping.

IMHO, she should have just issued a refund and told you to destroy the bag. She isn't allowed to relist or resell it anywhere and now that she knows it's fake, if she did resell, she's knowingly selling fakes.

I don't recommend coachclassics.

ETA: The listing has been removed. Maybe she'll get the message.

 

[Andalucian]

Okay, it's bad enough that coachclassics sold a fake. But to back down on her double-your-money-back guarantee plus making you pay return shipping for a fake IMO earned her a BIG RED NEGATIVE feedback.

Perhaps if ebay removes the listing for the fake, she'll get the message.

Please leave feedback because if the listing is removed, you won't be able to leave it after the removal.

At this point, file a dispute by requesting a return for counterfeit item. (Be sure to choose counterfeit as the reason.) WHen you win the dispute, the seller's account will be dinged and the seller will have to pay return shipping.

IMHO, she should have just issued a refund and told you to destroy the bag. She isn't allowed to relist or resell it anywhere and now that she knows it's fake, if she did resell, she's knowingly selling fakes.

I don't recommend coachclassics.

Too late for that, I'm afraid. She's taken the listing down.