Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[whateve]

Item: VINTAGE~COACH~LEGACY~BLACK LEATHER~BUCKET~DRAWSTRING~HANDBAG/PURSE/HOBO~#9165
Listing: 300838157304
Seller: psuchez
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...hash=item460b59fbf8:m:mg6rQXqczkHUlUHsPShM7zw

Comment: Month code N invalid? Need second opinion please.

Wait for other opinions on the bag from psuchez.

But so far, the only other 9165 bags I've found with N prefixes (but also different prefixes) were fake.

N1J fake from baby_fishmouth
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

NJG from neopolitangirls
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coa...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I believe this one is authentic.

 

[whateve]

I'm not sure whether it's been updated yet but AFAIK, I can't find a single J9H authentic bag. Hyacinth/Salearea's guides mention the prefix as having been seen on fakes.

Can it be determined that all J9H bags are fake? From what I'm seeing, all seem to be fake but the style numbers on them are "correct" for the style they are copying.

Here's a current listing to be looked at please:
Bag claiming to be 9791
seller shes*got*purse*sonality
Item number - 111876792581
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auth-COACH-Backpack-VINTAGE-Dark-Brown-Leather-Handbag-Purse-9791-Made-In-USA-/111876792581?hash=item1a0c606105%3Ag%3AsrMAAOSwa-dWmrt%7E&nma=true&si=93yqmEYixMA%252F2GwYSSF5v8S4dUY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

ETA: shes*got*purse*sonality also sold this fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auth-COACH-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

and another sold fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-C...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I can't recommend shes*got*purse*sonality or shes got purse sonality.

The creed from above:

For comparison, here are a few more J9H:

This bag is a wool bag and is not what 7720 looks like. (Listing was already removed so I'm posting pictures from a cached copy)

Another and in case the listing disappears, I'll include pictures.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19180592753...l?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=191805927534&_rdc=1

I've never seen an authentic 1999 H plant code.

ETA: Other than the fact that the creed doesn't match other H plant creeds we have in our files, I can't see anything that would prove the 9791 backpack from shes*got*purse*sonality is fake. The creed is similar to, but not exactly matching, two 1999 H creeds I have in my files, one of which I know is fake. The other I have marked as fake but I don't remember whether there was anything wrong with the purse that had it.

 

[Caledonia]

I noticed these 2 listings using same photos - & they each have their name on photos. They're both out of FL. Odd.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...463233?hash=item2a60f78f41:g:FikAAOSwo3pWb2wt

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...781640?hash=item4af871b608:g:eCEAAOSwKtlWr37X

 

[whateve]

I noticed these 2 listings using same photos - & they each have their name on photos. They're both out of FL. Odd.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...463233?hash=item2a60f78f41:g:FikAAOSwo3pWb2wt

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...781640?hash=item4af871b608:g:eCEAAOSwKtlWr37X

it might be the same person with 2 accounts. They have the same description too. There are programs available to remove someone's watermark and replace it with your own. Only the owner of the photos can report if they are stolen.

 

[Hyacinth]

Item: VINTAGE~COACH~LEGACY~BLACK LEATHER~BUCKET~DRAWSTRING~HANDBAG/PURSE/HOBO~#9165
Listing: 300838157304
Seller: psuchez
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...hash=item460b59fbf8:m:mg6rQXqczkHUlUHsPShM7zw

Comment: Month code N invalid? Need second opinion please.

The N code is a mistake but the bag is genuine. Compare these two, the one you're asking about and a genuine one with a K month code and an outlet stamp:

I've seen some slight variations in PARTS of the D plant stamp in 2000 and 2001, they may have had 2 stamps and were swapping parts between them as needed since the plant was just a few months away from closing permanently at that time.

 

[Catbird9]

Item: VINTAGE~COACH~LEGACY~BLACK LEATHER~BUCKET~DRAWSTRING~HANDBAG/PURSE/HOBO~#9165
Listing: 300838157304
Seller: psuchez
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...hash=item460b59fbf8:m:mg6rQXqczkHUlUHsPShM7zw

Comment: Month code N invalid? Need second opinion please.

Wait for other opinions on the bag from psuchez.

But so far, the only other 9165 bags I've found with N prefixes (but also different prefixes) were fake.

N1J fake from baby_fishmouth
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

NJG from neopolitangirls
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coa...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I believe this one is authentic.

The N code is a mistake but the bag is genuine. Compare these two, the one you're asking about and a genuine one with a K month code and an outlet stamp:

I've seen some slight variations in PARTS of the D plant stamp in 2000 and 2001, they may have had 2 stamps and were swapping parts between them as needed since the plant was just a few months away from closing permanently at that time.

Thank you all. Glad I checked!

 

[Hyacinth]

I'm not sure whether it's been updated yet but AFAIK, I can't find a single J9H authentic bag. Hyacinth/Salearea's guides mention the prefix as having been seen on fakes.

Can it be determined that all J9H bags are fake? From what I'm seeing, all seem to be fake but the style numbers on them are "correct" for the style they are copying.

Here's a current listing to be looked at please:
Bag claiming to be 9791
seller shes*got*purse*sonality
Item number - 111876792581
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auth-COACH-Backpack-VINTAGE-Dark-Brown-Leather-Handbag-Purse-9791-Made-In-USA-/111876792581?hash=item1a0c606105%3Ag%3AsrMAAOSwa-dWmrt%7E&nma=true&si=93yqmEYixMA%252F2GwYSSF5v8S4dUY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

ETA: shes*got*purse*sonality also sold this fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auth-COACH-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

and another sold fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-C...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I can't recommend shes*got*purse*sonality or shes got purse sonality.

The creed from above:

For comparison, here are a few more J9H:

This bag is a wool bag and is not what 7720 looks like. (Listing was already removed so I'm posting pictures from a cached copy)

Another and in case the listing disappears, I'll include pictures.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19180592753...l?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=191805927534&_rdc=1

I've never seen an authentic 1999 H plant code.

ETA: Other than the fact that the creed doesn't match other H plant creeds we have in our files, I can't see anything that would prove the 9791 backpack from shes*got*purse*sonality is fake. The creed is similar to, but not exactly matching, two 1999 H creeds I have in my files, one of which I know is fake. The other I have marked as fake but I don't remember whether there was anything wrong with the purse that had it.

I believe the H plant code was taken over by what was left over of the original NYC plant to use for samples and pilot bags in 1998. After that the code - NOT the original stamp! may have been a "floater", or code may have been retired, there's no way to be sure. Remember, ANY serial number stamp back then could change the plant code just by a small adjustment to the mechanism so it's possible that if there were any genuine H codes made after 1998 the font WON'T be the oversize one from the 1994-96 period. The font of the "H" in my sample bag with the 1998 year code is exactly the same size as the other digits.

It's really hard to say when the H code was actually retired. The bags have to be authenticated based on the bag details, and some are going to be impossible to say for sure. "Questionable" is still an option. If the date or style number doesn't match the bag, it's a safe bet that it's fake. You can't compare fonts from different years, and you can't expect the "floater" stamps to have exactly the same details just because they have the same plant codes. That's what makes them such a PITA.

BTW, the creed stamp on the fake J9H-9791 creed patch has the old "fat font" Coach logo which seems to have disappeared from all genuine bags by the end of 1996.

 

[Hyacinth]

I'm not sure whether it's been updated yet but AFAIK, I can't find a single J9H authentic bag. Hyacinth/Salearea's guides mention the prefix as having been seen on fakes.

Can it be determined that all J9H bags are fake? From what I'm seeing, all seem to be fake but the style numbers on them are "correct" for the style they are copying.

Here's a current listing to be looked at please:
Bag claiming to be 9791
seller shes*got*purse*sonality
Item number - 111876792581
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auth-COACH-Backpack-VINTAGE-Dark-Brown-Leather-Handbag-Purse-9791-Made-In-USA-/111876792581?hash=item1a0c606105%3Ag%3AsrMAAOSwa-dWmrt%7E&nma=true&si=93yqmEYixMA%252F2GwYSSF5v8S4dUY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

ETA: shes*got*purse*sonality also sold this fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auth-COACH-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

and another sold fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-C...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I can't recommend shes*got*purse*sonality or shes got purse sonality.

The creed from above:

For comparison, here are a few more J9H:

This bag is a wool bag and is not what 7720 looks like. (Listing was already removed so I'm posting pictures from a cached copy)

Another and in case the listing disappears, I'll include pictures.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19180592753...l?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=191805927534&_rdc=1

Daria48's Ebay list was updated a while back, and I'm pretty sure I copied and posted the same information in mine:
"J8Y-, J8H- and J9H- prefixes have been found in many proveable fakes and may all be fake, but they all need to be authenticated at the Ebay Fashion forum. They show up in many extremely close fakes, but small mistakes in details have always put it on the "questionable" list. Unless we can find absolute proof that they've appeared in genuine bags, I have to consider them fake.

*9H- serial prefixes all appear to be fake, no matter what the first letter is. The H plant doesn't seem to have been active in 1999, and the fakes usually have very obvious mistakes. Don't buy or sell any bag with a 3-digit serial prefix ending in 9H until one of the experts at Ebay's Fashion Discussion Board can authenticate them..."

We're assuming all of them are fake but we're also covering our asses Just In Case.


This listing:
"Here's a current listing to be looked at please:
Bag claiming to be 9791
seller shes*got*purse*sonality
Item number - 111876792581 "
has what looks like incorrectly stitched drawstring pulls and a fake hangtag, The drawstring problem is evidence enough for me.



BTW, there's also a fake 9791 with a D6J- prefix if anyone wants to report it:

"Restored For You" VTG COACH Black Leather Medium BACKPACK Silver HWD #D6J-9791
seller - natstricklenbellsouth
141856254295
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Restored-Fo...254295?hash=item21074aa957:g:qVcAAOSwUdlWdJD6

Not only a fake prefix, but a date code 2 1/2 years before the Large Daypack style was even introduced (Holiday 1998 catalog)

 

[Hyacinth]

I think I'm going to stay away from Etsy. That place scares me when it comes to Coach and way over priced. Also, one last question and I'll leave you ladies be. With the Willis I have been trying to get the older quality bags either new or like new. I have been able to get them from 1994, 95, and 96. I think one of you mentioned to try to get them from 2000 and before and it didn't matter if it was Usa made or not. Did they start going down in quality and the leather not so thick 2001 and on? So if they are from other countries but 2000 and prior are they still the high quality of leather? Thanks, this will help with what I continue to buy.

I've had some wonderful bags that were made in 2001. The leather couldn't be better. I don't have any classics that were made in China so I don't know if the quality went down when they first switched to China. I'd say that I've seen recent classics at the outlets in the last few years and they were horrible.

I've had great bags from Costa Rica, Turkey, Italy, and the Dominican Republic.

My China-made Willis and City Bag are both "adequate" but if it hadn't been for the colors (Denim? and Amethyst) I probably wouldn't have bought them. I also broke down and bought a red China-made City Bag at the outlet but took it back a week later, the leather was obviously poorer quality than my pre-China bags and even not as good as the other two I mentioned.

 

[Hyacinth]

Vintageair is not very responsive. I sent a friendly message months ago when I was browsing and saw that one of their bags had an inaccurate description. I have sometimes copied my own listings to reuse on another same or similar item only to discover that I didn't edit some part of the description, and so I was trying to be friendly and helpful. I got a very brief reply from "Tien" and the listing is still exactly as it was. Perhaps you will get a better response if you seem like a customer.

(It's a Janice's Legacy described as having a front flap with turn lock closure and two pockets.)
https://www.etsy.com/listing/255384652/vintage-coach-brown-janice-legacy

I think sellers should proof-read their own listings. (AND they should post creed photos! WTF do we need TWO mannequin photos, one should be enough to show how the bag looks when carried. Replace one of those with a creed pic instead.) I don't know how many years or months or days are left in my life, but correcting someone who's too lazy to do their own checking isn't high on my list of how I want to spend that remaining time, especially since some sellers would just think I'm being a smart-***.

(And they'd probably be right!)

 

[BeenBurned]

I noticed these 2 listings using same photos - & they each have their name on photos. They're both out of FL. Odd.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...463233?hash=item2a60f78f41:g:FikAAOSwo3pWb2wt

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COA...781640?hash=item4af871b608:g:eCEAAOSwKtlWr37X

it might be the same person with 2 accounts. They have the same description too. There are programs available to remove someone's watermark and replace it with your own. Only the owner of the photos can report if they are stolen.

I think they're the same person too as evidenced by the names of their ebay stores:

mizdazy - store name: Mizdazy s excess baggage
57shediac - store name: excessbagsandmore

 

[maramd]

Please authenticate. Thanks.

Vintage Coach Crossbody Leather Bucket Bag Purse*(27739496)
Item 27739496
Seller goodwill
http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=27739496

 

[whateve]

Please authenticate. Thanks.

Vintage Coach Crossbody Leather Bucket Bag Purse*(27739496)
Item 27739496
Seller goodwill
http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=27739496

It looks fine.

 

[maramd]

It looks fine.

Thank you very much!

 

[Caledonia]

I think they're the same person too as evidenced by the names of their ebay stores:




So, seller has 2 auctions going for same bag or didn't want to take the time to photograph both bags?