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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

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  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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    Listing number:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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BeenBurned said:
Well, while searching for another more legible creed for a suede jacket, I came across another "discovery," an observation that I don't think we've made before!!

I thought the J plant was only a Chinese plant, and certainly hadn't seen a US-made J plant item from 1995.

But apparently, there was a US J plant in the 90s!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Men-L...115363?hash=item542aab31e3:g:vyMAAOSwFGNWSLAb

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Oh yeah! We were talking about the Beresford Coat D6J-0964 that I mentioned a few hours ago back in March 2015, and a few times after then. Search this thread for "beresford".
 
#13,098
Item: Vintage Coach Black Leather Patricia 9951 Cross Body Messenger Shoulder Bag
Listing number:252297934667
Seller: 9shada
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/252297934667?redirect=mobile
Comments: After the court bag was authenticated here, I went ahead to buy it. It arrived today and I must say I am really impressed by the quality! It beats all of the 5 Coach bags I own! Now, I'm on the hunt for the older Coach bags. Please verify this bag for my next silver and black collection. Thank you!
 
#13,099
BlkMedusaHair said:
Item: Vintage Coach Black Leather Patricia 9951 Cross Body Messenger Shoulder Bag
Listing number:252297934667
Seller: 9shada
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/252297934667?redirect=mobile
Comments: After the court bag was authenticated here, I went ahead to buy it. It arrived today and I must say I am really impressed by the quality! It beats all of the 5 Coach bags I own! Now, I'm on the hunt for the older Coach bags. Please verify this bag for my next silver and black collection. Thank you!
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It's fine.
 
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#13,103
missbaltimore said:
Hello again-- Could someone please authenticate this sudden impulse purchase of mine? It said 3-5 days to ship so I think I can cancel if it's not authentic.

Item: Coach Bag Vintage Gray Leather Crossbody Shoulderbag Vintage Coach Leatherware 8814 Made in New York City
Listing number:
Seller: SeattleGoodWill
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/267244868/coach-bag-vintage-gray-leather-crossbody?ref=pr_faveshops
Comments: I think this is a saddle pouch?
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While I think that bag is okay, I have issues with seattlegoodwill as well as other Goodwill sellers and charity sellers.

They make little or no effort to verify authenticity of their items and charity or not, they shouldn't be selling fakes.

This is a post from November when seattlegoodwill had fake Coach items.
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-sh...coach-fakes-here-824098-187.html#post29508536

And earlier this month, another listing for a fake Coach bangle bracelet was reported and removed. This was a cache of the listing.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-5798-/311540379952+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 
#13,105
BeenBurned said:
And don't forget the X plant code. (ETA: And isn't there a W too?)
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I've enjoyed watching where this conversation string has led. I was wondering though; has anyone ever compiled and published a two-column listing of plant codes and their associated legit countries? It would probably would be helpful in coarse screening out the common fakes (such a P - United States). And just to satisfy my curiosity, I was under the impression that the S plant (another letter, like I, O, Q, & Z, which are typically avoided in the technical world to mitigate letter/number confusion) was the first Chinese facility, yet I've seen it used on bags attributed to the United States. Is this a common sign of a fake? Please excuse me for my ignorance, but except for the occasional Italian-made Madisons and Gramercys, I usually limit my acquisitions to pre-1988 (NYC and pre-creed) items.
 
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RL Bernstein said:
I've enjoyed watching where this conversation string has led. I was wondering though; has anyone ever compiled and published a two-column listing of plant codes and their associated legit countries? It would probably would be helpful in coarse screening out the common fakes (such a P - United States). And just to satisfy my curiosity, I was under the impression that the S plant (another letter, like I, O, Q, & Z, which are typically avoided in the technical world to mitigate letter/number confusion) was the first Chinese facility, yet I've seen it used on bags attributed to the United States. Is this a common sign of a fake? Please excuse me for my ignorance, but except for the occasional Italian-made Madisons and Gramercys, I usually limit my acquisitions to pre-1988 (NYC and pre-creed) items.
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No, because even having the "right" code and country doesn't prove anything. For instance the fake C code bags often have the right date range, but there are differences in the fonts between real and fake. There's no way that 99.9 percent of potential buyers would be able to tell the difference, or would even bother to try. Hell, most buyers still think that just having an "authenticity stamp" or the right serial number: proves it's genuine. Most buyers want simple answers, and other than a few basic rules and sometimes-rules, there really are no simple answers.

And just in case there are still scammers in China and Korea making those older fakes, I'm NOT about to supply them with a primer on how to make them more accurate.

As for "S" plant codes, AFAIK they were only used for China, and can go back as far as 1996. The earliest S codes were only used in business and travel bags. The pic shows the earliest one I've spotted but there may be earlier ones, just NEVER from the US.

ETA - I spoke too soon, here's one from late 1995
 

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Hyacinth said:
No, because even having the "right" code and country doesn't prove anything. For instance the fake C code bags often have the right date range, but there are differences in the fonts between real and fake. There's no way that 99.9 percent of potential buyers would be able to tell the difference, or would even bother to try. Hell, most buyers still think that just having an "authenticity stamp" or the right serial number: proves it's genuine. Most buyers want simple answers, and other than a few basic rules and sometimes-rules, there really are no simple answers.

And just in case there are still scammers in China and Korea making those older fakes, I'm NOT about to supply them with a primer on how to make them more accurate.

As for "S" plant codes, AFAIK they were only used for China, and can go back as far as 1996. The earliest S codes were only used in business and travel bags. The pic shows the earliest one I've spotted but there may be earlier ones, just NEVER from the US.

ETA - I spoke too soon, here's one from late 1995
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I see your point(s). All well taken. I suspect that I was thinking for myself insofar as occasionally I still encounter (uncommon) codes that make me look twice. Usually on items that appear unusual (and often obviously fake). Just last week I saw V - Mexico used when I thought that N was the only code for that country. I just thought that I would find having a coarse filter method for identifying obvious (bad) counterfeits useful. Perhaps I'll start scrolling through past authentications and create one for personal use.

As for the counterfeiters, I would hope that they've moved on to the newer "must have" styles. As you folks have pointed out, there are plenty of really good (if that word is appropriate here) fake current Swagger-line bags out there. But I suspect if there's a market, the unscrupulous will exploit it.

Thank you for confirming what I had in my notes for the S code.
 
#13,108
RL Bernstein said:
I see your point(s). All well taken. I suspect that I was thinking for myself insofar as occasionally I still encounter (uncommon) codes that make me look twice. Usually on items that appear unusual (and often obviously fake). Just last week I saw V - Mexico used when I thought that N was the only code for that country. I just thought that I would find having a coarse filter method for identifying obvious (bad) counterfeits useful. Perhaps I'll start scrolling through past authentications and create one for personal use.

As for the counterfeiters, I would hope that they've moved on to the newer "must have" styles. As you folks have pointed out, there are plenty of really good (if that word is appropriate here) fake current Swagger-line bags out there. But I suspect if there's a market, the unscrupulous will exploit it.

Thank you for confirming what I had in my notes for the S code.
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I've seen a few V codes with Mexico creeds that may be ok but I didn't save photos. I'll have to watch for more.

As for the newer fakes like the Swaggers, BeenBurned has a scary-good knack for spotting them. She's posted in several of the various Coach forums warning members about them, if you Advanced Search the various forums (fora?) for Swagger and her ID you should be able to find them.

ETA - here's a genuine Mexico V plant code in a Neo Crescent Bag, the V plant seems to have specialized in the Neo line but may have made other styles too.
 

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LondonUK said:
Did Coach ever make a sky blue bag? I just found this on Etsy and have asked for the creed to be emailed. I've never seen one in sky blue. Not sure it's my colour either.


Item: Coach Willis
Seller: vintageair

https://www.etsy.com/listing/269531...llery&ga_search_query=coach&ref=sr_gallery_10
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I can't comment on the color but I looked at vintageair's listings and IMO, this is a seller who I think should know better than to have this many Coach listings, NONE with the pictures necessary to authenticate them!
 
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