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  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
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#10,443
Please authenticate:

Item: Coach Kelly Style Black Smooth Leather Purse
Listing number: 221921613505
Seller: josh*emma
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-V...613505?hash=item33ab8f16c1:g:7VMAAOSw4HVWDB8S
Comments: Judging from the leather and brass hardware, I'm guessing it is part of the Gramercy collection made in Italy. If it is authentic, I would really appreciate it if you could provide me with more details about this bag (style No. & name). Thank you ladies!
 
#10,444
xiaojzhang said:
Please authenticate:

Item: Coach Kelly Style Black Smooth Leather Purse
Listing number: 221921613505
Seller: josh*emma
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-V...613505?hash=item33ab8f16c1:g:7VMAAOSw4HVWDB8S
Comments: Judging from the leather and brass hardware, I'm guessing it is part of the Gramercy collection made in Italy. If it is authentic, I would really appreciate it if you could provide me with more details about this bag (style No. & name). Thank you ladies!
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This bag was discussed earlier in the month. Check out post #9910 on October 5.
http://forum.purseblog.com/showpost.php?p=29262764&postcount=9910
 
#10,446
xiaojzhang said:
Please authenticate:

Item: Coach Kelly Style Black Smooth Leather Purse
Listing number: 221921613505
Seller: josh*emma
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-V...613505?hash=item33ab8f16c1:g:7VMAAOSw4HVWDB8S
Comments: Judging from the leather and brass hardware, I'm guessing it is part of the Gramercy collection made in Italy. If it is authentic, I would really appreciate it if you could provide me with more details about this bag (style No. & name). Thank you ladies!
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We discussed this exact bag from the same seller three weeks ago, search the main Coach forum for "Gramercy pilot":
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-sh...e-before-posting-889527-661.html#post29262764

At that time I posted:

I can't give you an answer. Much of it is wrong compared to all the other Gramercys we've seen, but it's possible it was a sample or Pilot Bag.

Compared to other Gramercys:
The lining isn't the right color, there's no serial number and there should be, based on the measurements. The lines in the grain of the leather are horizontal but on all the other Gramercy styles they're at a 45-degree angle, and I've never seen or heard of a Gramercy with a dowel on the top. The creed patch should be smooth leather, not textured. The strap clips are NOT the same design used on the other Gramercy styles.

None of the sequential Gramercy style numbers seem to be unaccounted for, with one possible exception, I have photos of all of them unless there was a style number 7000. If there WAS a style 7000, all bets are off and the bag may be genuine. Or if it was a preproduction pilot bag it might not even have had an official style number. I really hope no one reports it because there are just enough accurate details such as the creed wording and the turnlock design to make its authenticity a possibility. It's hard to see clearly in the photo but it might even have the right inside pocket zipper pull, and THAT would be almost impossible if it was fake. I'm going to do more comparing when I have time but for now I'm calling it "Questionable but Possible".


My answer hasn't changed. I absolutely DO NOT recommend buying that bag if you're planning in reselling it. If you want to take a chance and keep it for your own use, YOU decide if you want to take the chance. But there's no way an untraceable bag with no verifiable record can be 100 percent confirmed as fake OR authentic.


ETA - BTW, the seller claims "I believe from the 80's...Notice there is not a number on the creed. They didn't put numbers inside when they were manufactured in Italy..." which is nonsense. If real, the bag would be from 1999. And only Dakotas and some early Sheridans from the early 1990s didn't have serial numbers.
 
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#10,447
Hyacinth said:
We discussed this exact bag from the same seller three weeks ago, search the main Coach forum for "Gramercy pilot":
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-sh...e-before-posting-889527-661.html#post29262764

At that time I posted:

I can't give you an answer. Much of it is wrong compared to all the other Gramercys we've seen, but it's possible it was a sample or Pilot Bag.

Compared to other Gramercys:
The lining isn't the right color, there's no serial number and there should be, based on the measurements. The lines in the grain of the leather are horizontal but on all the other Gramercy styles they're at a 45-degree angle, and I've never seen or heard of a Gramercy with a dowel on the top. The creed patch should be smooth leather, not textured. The strap clips are NOT the same design used on the other Gramercy styles.

None of the sequential Gramercy style numbers seem to be unaccounted for, with one possible exception, I have photos of all of them unless there was a style number 7000. If there WAS a style 7000, all bets are off and the bag may be genuine. Or if it was a preproduction pilot bag it might not even have had an official style number. I really hope no one reports it because there are just enough accurate details such as the creed wording and the turnlock design to make its authenticity a possibility. It's hard to see clearly in the photo but it might even have the right inside pocket zipper pull, and THAT would be almost impossible if it was fake. I'm going to do more comparing when I have time but for now I'm calling it "Questionable but Possible".


My answer hasn't changed. I absolutely DO NOT recommend buying that bag if you're planning in reselling it. If you want to take a chance and keep it for your own use, YOU decide if you want to take the chance. But there's no way an untraceable bag with no verifiable record can be 100 percent confirmed as fake OR authentic.
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Thank you for the update, Hyacinth! I am not purchasing this bag, certainly not at the price the seller is asking for. This bag just piqued my interest because it has the right features, but at the same breath, it is also a very strange bag.

Thank you always for your expertise!
 
#10,455
mellopan said:
Thank you whateve! If you don't mind, what kind of font should we expect to see for this style?
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It's not the font for the style, it's the font and wording for the plant and date. There are prefixes that counterfeiters use more often; J4D is one of them. Here is a picture of an authentic J4D creed, although on a different style.
 

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