Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

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IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
    Comments:

  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
Thank you and be safe!
 
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sbah123.45 said:
Hello authenticators! I wanted to ask whether this bag is authentic and whether you know what the style name of it is. Thank you!
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sophielong2002 said:
Hello! I’ve just bought (what I thought was) my first Coach purse, but I’m pretty sure it’s not authentic :/ would really appreciate some confirmation!

Item: COACH F51339

Listing name: Coach Flora Monogram Pink Trim Zipped Purse

Seller and site where listed: wxllmxll on Vinted

Link: https://www.vinted.co.uk/items/4959066804-coach-flora-monogram-pink-trim-zipped-purse
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whateve said:
@BeenBurned
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BeenBurned said:
I don’t see any problems. I think it is authentic.

What makes you think it’s fake?
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sophielong2002 said:
Thank you so much! I was just a bit conflicted as I saw a few photos online where the purse looked a little different (small differences to the creed, flowers, colours) like here and here
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Okay, now that you've described your concerns, I did more digging.

RETURN THE WALLET - It's fake.

Although you bought from the UK, I'm concerned that the item originally came from Japan. (Your seller may not even be aware of the proliferation of fakes coming out of Japan and may have been a victim herself.)

I'm not sure how much reading you've done here but over the last several years, there have been MANY many fakes coming out of Japan that are extremely close. Sellers are getting extremely close fakes, items come with fake receipts, paperwork, boxes, and other props.

In comparing your wallet to some other listings of Japanese sellers' same style, I see problems - very small differences - that concern me.

  • Nearly every online listing of that style wallet is from Japan
  • The few listings that show props have fake tags and receipts with information that isn't correct for the item they're on
  • The front "Coach" plaque on your wallet sits on a slightly larger piece of pink leather than the stock images. But the wider border matches that of the alleged fakes.
  • The chain links on the zipper pull are thinner than on the authentic versions


AUTHENTIC: pictures show a genuine item: https://jp.mercari.com/item/m39452138144
AUTHENTIC: https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m57256512767/?ref=search_results
AUTHENTIC (although from Japan, I believe this one is authentic: https://jp.mercari.com/item/m97696475910
FAKE: https://item.fril.jp/49016615abfd44b9abf182e188dc1924
FAKE: https://jp.mercari.com/item/m37541989471

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In the following, note the discrepancies:
1 - description doesn't match the item
2 - receipt dated 2017 - Wallet wasn't made that early
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My apologies if this isn't really the appropriate thread for this; in that case please point me in the right direction.

I asked authentication help for a Rambler's Legacy yesterday, which @whateve identified as a fake.
This one: https://jp.mercari.com/item/m81695769255
I was looking around on eBay earlier and came across the same??? bag being sold by two different sellers using the exact same image, which is why I noticed:


I'll report the listings in a moment, because at the very least they're misleading any potential buyer using an image that is unlikely to be of the actual item being sold. But both sellers on eBay (which there could be more of) are business accounts and I'd say it's highly unlikely that they're unaware of what they're doing. But given that one of the two sellers is currently selling over 250 different Coach items, I just wanted to bring it up because it seems that it might not even be a question of whether something can be authenticated based on the photos. It seems that there's at least a possibility that they're not even selling the actual item that is pictured.
 
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maevari said:
My apologies if this isn't really the appropriate thread for this; in that case please point me in the right direction.

I asked authentication help for a Rambler's Legacy yesterday, which @whateve identified as a fake.
This one: https://jp.mercari.com/item/m81695769255
I was looking around on eBay earlier and came across the same??? bag being sold by two different sellers using the exact same image, which is why I noticed:


I'll report the listings in a moment, because at the very least they're misleading any potential buyer using an image that is unlikely to be of the actual item being sold. But both sellers on eBay (which there could be more of) are business accounts and I'd say it's highly unlikely that they're unaware of what they're doing. But given that one of the two sellers is currently selling over 250 different Coach items, I just wanted to bring it up because it seems that it might not even be a question of whether something can be authenticated based on the photos. It seems that there's at least a possibility that they're not even selling the actual item that is pictured.
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What I've found among Japanese sellers is that they have multiple sellers (often way more than just 2 sellers) who list the same item with the same pictures.

My guess is that they are trying to maximize exposure and hope that the item will get sold by one of the sellers, after which the other sellers will end the listing(s) of the same item.

(Since Japanese sellers don't appear to know how to recognize fakes vs. authentic Coach, they do it with both fakes and authentic items.)

As an example of what they also do is list an item and when it's removed as fake, it's relisted by a different Japanese seller. This post was made after I'd reported a fake from 11 different Japanese sellers all of whom used the same set of pictures over the period of a few months. Since that post, I made this one in which the number had gone up to 14 different sellers and as of today, I've found it listed by (so far) 18 Japanese sellers!

Although there was a time when Japanese sellers could be depended on to make sure items are authentic and fakes are never sold, that's no longer the case.


EDIT: And this proves my point!! I just did a quick search on ebay and found this listing of a fake. It's the same fake bag with the same set of pictures that were posted as found on Mercari and ebay by @maevari:

Seller: y.kitaba_1021 - japan-yk
www.ebay.com

Coach Shoulder Bag Black Leather Turnlock Gold Hardware 9061 From Japan | eBay

There is a feeling of use, but there are no tears and it can still be used.". âCondition. Actual size when laid flat. Gusset 9cm (3.54 in).
www.ebay.com

Knowing that the listing was removed previously, my opinion is that it was relisted by this seller presumably knowing it's fake.
 
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BeenBurned said:
What I've found among Japanese sellers is that they have multiple sellers (often way more than just 2 sellers) who list the same item with the same pictures.

My guess is that they are trying to maximize exposure and hope that the item will get sold by one of the sellers, after which the other sellers will end the listing(s) of the same item.

(Since Japanese sellers don't appear to know how to recognize fakes vs. authentic Coach, they do it with both fakes and authentic items.)

As an example of what they also do is list an item and when it's removed as fake, it's relisted by a different Japanese seller. This post was made after I'd reported a fake from 11 different Japanese sellers all of whom used the same set of pictures over the period of a few months. Since that post, I made this one in which the number had gone up to 14 different sellers and as of today, I've found it listed by (so far) 18 Japanese sellers!

Although there was a time when Japanese sellers could be depended on to make sure items are authentic and fakes are never sold, that's no longer the case.
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Wow. That's...not great. I didn't think it was this bad/there was this little oversight, outside of sellers failing to take authentication seriously or knowingly selling fakes to begin with. I mean, even if it is a single product being sold, and even if it is authentic it still creates the possibility that in reality someone else has already bought the thing you're thinking you're buying.

What threw me off though was that some of the info in item description (country of manufacture/origin etc) was different between the eBay listings. And I've seen a lot of organized clusters of sellers selling fakes use the same exact photos, so I guess I also assumed intent there. But I'm not sure if this is even a whole lot better as none of the "extra" sellers assume the responsibility of acting as a filter and being completely responsible for what they sell so ultimately there's little difference between "I knew and did it anyway" and "I just didn't care". Sigh 😔
 
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BeenBurned said:
What I've found among Japanese sellers is that they have multiple sellers (often way more than just 2 sellers) who list the same item with the same pictures.

My guess is that they are trying to maximize exposure and hope that the item will get sold by one of the sellers, after which the other sellers will end the listing(s) of the same item.

(Since Japanese sellers don't appear to know how to recognize fakes vs. authentic Coach, they do it with both fakes and authentic items.)

As an example of what they also do is list an item and when it's removed as fake, it's relisted by a different Japanese seller. This post was made after I'd reported a fake from 11 different Japanese sellers all of whom used the same set of pictures over the period of a few months. Since that post, I made this one in which the number had gone up to 14 different sellers and as of today, I've found it listed by (so far) 18 Japanese sellers!

Although there was a time when Japanese sellers could be depended on to make sure items are authentic and fakes are never sold, that's no longer the case.


EDIT: And this proves my point!! I just did a quick search on ebay and found this listing of a fake. It's the same fake bag with the same set of pictures that were posted as found on Mercari and ebay by @maevari:

Seller: y.kitaba_1021 - japan-yk
www.ebay.com

Coach Shoulder Bag Black Leather Turnlock Gold Hardware 9061 From Japan | eBay

There is a feeling of use, but there are no tears and it can still be used.". âCondition. Actual size when laid flat. Gusset 9cm (3.54 in).
www.ebay.com

Knowing that the listing was removed previously, my opinion is that it was relisted by this seller presumably knowing it's fake.
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Just received a notification from eBay that they took down the second listing as well, so at least for now both of those are gone. Which isn't to say that there aren't others as well. I found it really frustrating that I wasn't even able to give a proper explanation of what the issue is because of the character limit. So while they are gone for now, because I wasn't able to really explain the situation in any detail there's a good chance the seller(s) will appeal this decision. Is there a better way of reporting them? Just fighting my way through the Help Center until I can get a hold of an actual human and explain the situation? How do you usually go about this? I haven't done this in a long while outside of opening a claim regarding something I myself have already bought which usually makes it easier to get in touch with a customer service rep.
 
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BeenBurned said:
Okay, now that you've described your concerns, I did more digging.

RETURN THE WALLET - It's fake.

Although you bought from the UK, I'm concerned that the item originally came from Japan. (Your seller may not even be aware of the proliferation of fakes coming out of Japan and may have been a victim herself.)

I'm not sure how much reading you've done here but over the last several years, there have been MANY many fakes coming out of Japan that are extremely close. Sellers are getting extremely close fakes, items come with fake receipts, paperwork, boxes, and other props.

In comparing your wallet to some other listings of Japanese sellers' same style, I see problems - very small differences - that concern me.

  • Nearly every online listing of that style wallet is from Japan
  • The few listings that show props have fake tags and receipts with information that isn't correct for the item they're on
  • The front "Coach" plaque on your wallet sits on a slightly larger piece of pink leather than the stock images. But the wider border matches that of the alleged fakes.
  • The chain links on the zipper pull are thinner than on the authentic versions


AUTHENTIC: pictures show a genuine item: https://jp.mercari.com/item/m39452138144
AUTHENTIC: https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m57256512767/?ref=search_results
AUTHENTIC (although from Japan, I believe this one is authentic: https://jp.mercari.com/item/m97696475910
FAKE: https://item.fril.jp/49016615abfd44b9abf182e188dc1924
FAKE: https://jp.mercari.com/item/m37541989471

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1 - description doesn't match the item
2 - receipt dated 2017 - Wallet wasn't made that early
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Ahh that sucks, but thank you so so much for your help! I really appreciate you taking the time to research this in such depth :)
 
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Hi everyone,
My mom found this at a flea market, the seller said it was vintage coach, and was selling it for about $40 usd (is this a good price?)

Could you please help us know if it's authentic?
Unfortunately, I don't have better pictures, so I understand if it's not possible.

Thank you so much!


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Seanamoon said:
Hi everyone,
My mom found this at a flea market, the seller said it was vintage coach, and was selling it for about $40 usd (is this a good price?)

Could you please help us know if it's authentic?
Unfortunately, I don't have better pictures, so I understand if it's not possible.

Thank you so much!


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It's authentic. It's a station bag made in 1998.
Here are similar bags that have sold recently: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...on+bag&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1
 
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May I please get an identification on this Coach bag. My daughter bid on this auction this evening and I am when she showed it to me, I felt that it looked really off. Hoping someone here can let us know.

Item: Vintage Coach Brown Glove-Tanned Leather Pouch Wristlet USA
Listing number: 211125117
Seller and site where listed ShopGoodwill.com
Link: https://shopgoodwill.com/item/211125117
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lynnieh said:
May I please get an identification on this Coach bag. My daughter bid on this auction this evening and I am when she showed it to me, I felt that it looked really off. Hoping someone here can let us know.

Item: Vintage Coach Brown Glove-Tanned Leather Pouch Wristlet USA
Listing number: 211125117
Seller and site where listed ShopGoodwill.com
Link: https://shopgoodwill.com/item/211125117
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I can't tell for sure. I wish they had included a picture of the interior showing the lining.
More opinions are welcome.
 
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