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#6,856
JOODLZ said:
Could someone please authenticate this Coach bag?
From a local thrift...where Coach bags are usually overpriced...not this one...oops!
Approx. 10.25"w x 10"h x 3.5"d. Strap 24" to dowel.
I'm thinking 2003 Willis #9927, right?
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I don't have any B factory codes in my files for that late date. I'm surprised that anything would still have been made in the US then but I don't see any problems with the bag.
 
#6,857
Hello all my favorite authenticators:smile1:
Can anyone help authenticate this little belt pouch and maybe a year it was made?
it is about 5.5 w x 4.75 h x 1.75 deep and the strap is 49inches long including the snaps
Thanks
RC
 

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#6,861
Raven3766 said:
Sorry, it measures 10" x 4" x 8".
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That's about right for a classic pouch. I don't know of other styles that are similar, especially with that strap that widens at the center.
ROCKY CRYSTAL said:
Thanks Whateve, I was hoping it was, it is in such great condition other than a few scratches on the button I was not sure this could have stayed so good for 20+ years
You Guys Rock
RC
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You're welcome! Many of my tiny bags I've found in excellent condition. I think it is because people don't carry them as every day purses.
 
#6,862
whateve said:
I don't have any B factory codes in my files for that late date. I'm surprised that anything would still have been made in the US then but I don't see any problems with the bag.
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This authentication has me bringing up an authentication I requested about a month and a half ago,
also for a Willis bag with silver hardware, and it has same exact creed/serial numbers.

I don't know how to link all the postings together, sorry.
It started with my request #5300 with pics, and there are follow up postings from Hyacinth, Beenburned and myself (#5304,5318,5319,5323,5328).

Is the general concensus then that this plant was still operational sporadically as late as 2003 in the USA?
I really, really, really think my bag is authentic.
If Joodlz bag is okay, then mine is too, yes?
I have handled/owned a lot of Willis bags (more than any other style probably) I have about five in my home at this time and every single aspect of it is right
except for the questioning of this plant being operational.
HELP?
 
#6,863
JOODLZ said:
Could someone please authenticate this Coach bag?
From a local thrift...where Coach bags are usually overpriced...not this one...oops!
Approx. 10.25"w x 10"h x 3.5"d. Strap 24" to dowel.
I'm thinking 2003 Willis #9927, right?
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whateve said:
I don't have any B factory codes in my files for that late date. I'm surprised that anything would still have been made in the US then but I don't see any problems with the bag.
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Hyacinth said:
Thanks to both of you, those pictures are a big help, especially the small #9821 (I still don't have a name for that style, maybe some kind of Legacy West Bag?) especially since there's a part of an outlet stamp visible on the creed. That means the B plant (which I think was the code originally given to the Miami plant but heaven only knows where it ended up) was still operating at least thru July 2002.

The Willis with the 2003 MAY be genuine, it's possible that the last few leather bags made in the US were stamped with creeds and serials thrown together and left over from other plants, like we've seen with some H and A plant codes. Compare the three below, the first one is the Willis, and I agree that the bag itself looks perfect even down to the shape of the padded area above the turnlock which the crooks almost always get wrong. But look at the Coach logo at the top of the creed, it's using the old "fat" font that Coach hadn't used for years. So if it;s genuine, the creed was slapped together with leftover parts. The D2B-9821 serial number stamp also has a few tiny differences from the other two but again, they may have used whatever was available at the time.
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thecollector629 said:
This authentication has me bringing up an authentication I requested about a month and a half ago,
also for a Willis bag with silver hardware, and it has same exact creed/serial numbers.

I don't know how to link all the postings together, sorry.
It started with my request #5300 with pics, and there are follow up postings from Hyacinth, Beenburned and myself (#5304,5318,5319,5323,5328).

Is the general concensus then that this plant was still operational sporadically as late as 2003 in the USA?
I really, really, really think my bag is authentic.
If Joodlz bag is okay, then mine is too, yes?
I have handled/owned a lot of Willis bags (more than any other style probably) I have about five in my home at this time and every single aspect of it is right
except for the questioning of this plant being operational.
HELP?
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It has always been my feeling that unless you buy one brand new from the store you can't know 100% a bag is authentic. There could always be a super counterfeiter who gets every detail correct.

In my opinion, if every detail is correct and there is just a question of whether the factory was operational at the time, I lean toward calling it authentic.

I have another idea. Possibly these bags were made in the US in small quantities for training purposes in Coach headquarters, possibly even by those people who do the repairs. They didn't want to use the "A" factory code because that designated the original factory in NYC. If the B plant was really operational at that time, we would most likely see a lot more bags with similar creeds.
 
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#6,864
HI LADIES! Want to play Legacy Trivia? Does anyone remember WHICH Helen ~COACH named Helens Legacy after? Was it Helen Willis Moody the Tennis player? Whoever gets the right answer first wins..um.. well my gratitude obviously!! Thanks Y'all! CHEERS!!!!
 
#6,865
whateve said:
It has always been my feeling that unless you buy one brand new from the store you can't know 100% a bag is authentic. There could always be a super counterfeiter who gets every detail correct.

In my opinion, if every detail is correct and there is just a question of whether the factory was operational at the time, I lean toward calling it authentic.

I have another idea. Possibly these bags were made in the US in small quantities for training purposes in Coach headquarters, possibly even by those people who do the repairs. They didn't want to use the "A" factory code because that designated the original factory in NYC. If the B plant were really operational at that time, we would most likely see a lot more bags with similar creeds.
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Thank you, now I've got everyone's opinions, appreciate it!
 
#6,866
SheriDahlin said:
HI LADIES! Want to play Legacy Trivia? Does anyone remember WHICH Helen ~COACH named Helens Legacy after? Was it Helen Willis Moody the Tennis player? Whoever gets the right answer first wins..um.. well my gratitude obviously!! Thanks Y'all! CHEERS!!!!
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Sorry, you're wrong! It was Helen Berg. Her parents' names are on the Immigrant Wall of Honor at Ellis Island.
 
#6,867
whateve said:
Sorry, you're wrong! It was Helen Berg. Her parents' names are on the Immigrant Wall of Honor at Ellis Island.
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Damn you are GOOOD!! Girl!! You just won my undying gratitude..I would buy you a drink but..we are a little far apart mileage wise! .What year catalog is that whole spread in ? do you know.???.I remember seeing it once,but I couldnt find it!! I got this question from a potential buyer in France..so maybe if I answer her I'll have made a sale!! Thanks so much Dolly..now, Who is Lula & Patricia..LOL!! MuchoMucho Gracias Whateve!!
 
#6,868
SheriDahlin said:
HI LADIES! Want to play Legacy Trivia? Does anyone remember WHICH Helen ~COACH named Helens Legacy after? Was it Helen Willis Moody the Tennis player? Whoever gets the right answer first wins..um.. well my gratitude obviously!! Thanks Y'all! CHEERS!!!!
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A copy of the Fall 1994 catalog pages with all that information is posted at the Coach Reference Library - FAQs thread, posts 122 and 123

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-re...and-reference-info-158400-9.html#post26172565
 
#6,869
whateve said:
It has always been my feeling that unless you buy one brand new from the store you can't know 100% a bag is authentic. There could always be a super counterfeiter who gets every detail correct.

In my opinion, if every detail is correct and there is just a question of whether the factory was operational at the time, I lean toward calling it authentic.

I have another idea. Possibly these bags were made in the US in small quantities for training purposes in Coach headquarters, possibly even by those people who do the repairs. They didn't want to use the "A" factory code because that designated the original factory in NYC. If the B plant was really operational at that time, we would most likely see a lot more bags with similar creeds.
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I agree. Remember, the ONLY sources for all the dates we use for the various plants are the bags themselves and what little we actually know of Coach's history. All the information we put together from those bags and backgrounds are just educated guesses.

At that time with production of the all-leather classic bags in the process of being switched over to China and just a handful still trickling out of Turkey and Costa Rica, anything could happen with plant locations and stamps, and probably did. Coach would have made and stamped bags for whatever location was the most convenient, and with whatever stamps or stamping mechanisms that were still available.
 
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