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Dear authenticators, request to authenticate please. Thank you!

Item: City bag
Where purchased or how obtained: thrift store
Comments: dimensions are 7" height, 11" width, 3 1/2" depth ETA; pardon the upside down creed, I have no idea why it comes out like that urggh!

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Dear authenticators, request to authenticate please. Thank you!!!

Item: I was not able to find a name.
Where purchased or how obtained: thrift store
Comments: dimensions are 7" height, 10" width and less than 1" depth. No creed, only plastic made in China tag.
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Hmm. I think this bag is authentic but I can't recall having seen a Dominican Republic made bag with a scrambled prefix.

What's odd is that I have a comp from the X plant (DR) that this creed matches (except for the scrambled prefix).

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Hmm. I think this bag is authentic but I can't recall having seen a Dominican Republic made bag with a scrambled prefix.

What's odd is that I have a comp from the X plant (DR) that this creed matches (except for the scrambled prefix).

Seller math-6417


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I have 3 different stamps on file for that "Z" plant just in 2002 so I wouldn't worry about a scrambled prefix. They were just using whatever stamps were left over from other plant closures, especially in anything with X and Z codes. In those last few years of Western Hemisphere production, all the usual rules and conventions were flushed down the toilet. The best thing to do is try to ignore the stampings unless it's a really serious problem and just concentrate on the bag's details.

Here's another one:
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ETA - Remember, these are being made in plants where the employees are just a few months away from permanently losing what were probably the best jobs they'd ever had. People in that position stop caring about doing things by the book. And just like I saw with Chrysler when they were teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and closing plants right and left, some of the "mistakes" were probably deliberate. Or the employees had just stopped caring.

There's also the practical matter of Asian-based counterfeiters being much more likely to use a MADE IN THE UNITED STATES creed in their fakes. Much more believable to their target buyers than "made in the dominican republic". Heck, if some buyers back then refused to believe that Coach would make bags in Italy, who in their right minds would believe a DR stamp? Most buyers (and counterfeiters!) probably couldn't even find the DR on a map, much less believe that there was a Coach plant there.
 
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I have 3 different stamps on file for that "Z" plant just in 2002 so I wouldn't worry about a scrambled prefix. They were just using whatever stamps were left over from other plant closures, especially in anything with X and Z codes. In those last few years of Western Hemisphere production, all the usual rules and conventions were flushed down the toilet. The best thing to do is try to ignore the stampings unless it's a really serious problem and just concentrate on the bag's details.

Here's another one:
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Thank you. I didn't see any other problems but hadn't seen any other examples of the scrambling on DR bags. Now I have 2 examples!



On another note since we're talking about DR creeds and plant codes, I have a third plant code for the Dominican Republic. Do you have a 1997 H plant DR creed in your records?
 
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Thank you. I didn't see any other problems but hadn't seen any other examples of the scrambling on DR bags. Now I have 2 examples!



On another note since we're talking about DR creeds and plant codes, I have a third plant code for the Dominican Republic. Do you have a 1997 H plant DR creed in your records?


Yes, only one, for a Neo made in December with an outlet stamp. It may even be the same one you have.

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