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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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Serena Shaw said:
Please authenticate when possible:
Item: VINTAGE RARE COACH BLACK LEATHER KELLY BAG PURSE SATCHEL #6701
Listing number: 362945574144
Seller: hell-bent-4-leather
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-RARE-COACH-BLACK-LEATHER-KELLY-BAG-PURSE-SATCHEL-6701-/362945574144?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&nma=true&si=XMsIJIngU%2BsyPyMVcpAg5I%2B5hiw%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc
Comments: This is my first authentication. I really hope this bag is authentic and very excited about this purchase. I won the bid but haven't paid yet. I've really enjoy learning from everyone here.
Please let me know if anything is wrong or missing.
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Hyacinth said:
Welcome to tPF!

It's genuine and made in 1998. It wasn't called a Kelly Bag though, I think that Hermes owns the rights to that name. It's actually called a Bridle Top Handle Bag.
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Nice find! I keep my eyes open for Italian Coach bags and you don't see the Bridle bags come up for sale very often.
 
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katev said:
Nice find! I keep my eyes open for Italian Coach bags and you don't see the Bridle bags come up for sale very often.
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No, they and the Gramercy line were what I think of as the "last gasp" of the highline Italian-made bags, before most production made the Y2K jump to China. A few of them were even made in two versions, a calfskin-pigskin combination and a calfskin-only version probably geared mostly toward international Mid- and Far-East buyers. Note the differences in the creed wording and the leathers used on the side panels that would be pigskin on the standard version of these Bridle Top Handles:

6701_CALFSKIN-ONLY Top Handle-c.jpg 6701_CALFSKIN-ONLY Top Handle-d.jpg 6701_Bridle Top Handle-creed.jpg 6701_Bridle Top Handle-d.jpg
 
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Ebkbay said:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-LEATHER-COACH-BAG-HAND-PAINTED-HIDEOUT-HOLSTER/124128647387

Breathtaking!
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Seller longtimeagocompany
THere are many listings -- not my taste but not as bad as the previous paintings!

I didn't go through all the listings but none of those I looked at could be authenticated from the pictures shown.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Womens-Bag...tml?item=124128647387&_ssn=longtimeagocompany

ETA: I just looked at this listing and the bag is authentic.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-BAG-...068458?hash=item1ce65efa6a:g:T~8AAOSw7SxdpiP~

This is too:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-LE...261409?hash=item1ce64367a1:g:VfwAAOSwUlBecjOO

She may sell authentic Coach bags but IMO, they're fugly and ALL her listings should show creeds to prove whether they're genuine.
 
#47,349
Thanks for the great information and pictures @Hyacinth; you've got a very nice bag @Serena Shaw!

Serena Shaw said:
Please authenticate when possible:
Item: VINTAGE RARE COACH BLACK LEATHER KELLY BAG PURSE SATCHEL #6701
Listing number: 362945574144
Seller: hell-bent-4-leather
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-RARE-COACH-BLACK-LEATHER-KELLY-BAG-PURSE-SATCHEL-6701-/362945574144?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&nma=true&si=XMsIJIngU%2BsyPyMVcpAg5I%2B5hiw%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc
Comments: This is my first authentication. I really hope this bag is authentic and very excited about this purchase. I won the bid but haven't paid yet. I've really enjoy learning from everyone here.
Please let me know if anything is wrong or missing.
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Hyacinth said:
Welcome to tPF!

It's genuine and made in 1998. It wasn't called a Kelly Bag though, I think that Hermes owns the rights to that name. It's actually called a Bridle Top Handle Bag.
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katev said:
Nice find! I keep my eyes open for Italian Coach bags and you don't see the Bridle bags come up for sale very often.
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Hyacinth said:
No, they and the Gramercy line were what I think of as the "last gasp" of the highline Italian-made bags, before most production made the Y2K jump to China. A few of them were even made in two versions, a calfskin-pigskin combination and a calfskin-only version probably geared mostly toward international Mid- and Far-East buyers. Note the differences in the creed wording and the leathers used on the side panels that would be pigskin on the standard version of these Bridle Top Handles:

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BeenBurned said:
Seller longtimeagocompany
THere are many listings -- not my taste but not as bad as the previous paintings!

I didn't go through all the listings but none of those I looked at could be authenticated from the pictures shown.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Womens-Bag...tml?item=124128647387&_ssn=longtimeagocompany

ETA: I just looked at this listing and the bag is authentic.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-BAG-...068458?hash=item1ce65efa6a:g:T~8AAOSw7SxdpiP~

This is too:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-LE...261409?hash=item1ce64367a1:g:VfwAAOSwUlBecjOO

She may sell authentic Coach bags but IMO, they're fugly and ALL her listings should show creeds to prove whether they're genuine.
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I meant to post this in the vintage chat site. My apologies. I found the holster inside the bag particularly weird.
 
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Hi,
Sorry I didn't follow the guidelines!
I bought this purse at a thrift store.
I re-sold it myself, thinking it was real after doing research myself online, but the purchaser has questioned the authenticity and I want to do my best to follow up - in case that is true!
Thank you!
 
#47,354
KLFD said:
Hi,
I thought this was authentic, but now am not sure. Help!
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KLFD said:
Hi,
Sorry I didn't follow the guidelines!
I bought this purse at a thrift store.
I re-sold it myself, thinking it was real after doing research myself online, but the purchaser has questioned the authenticity and I want to do my best to follow up - in case that is true!
Thank you!
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No problem. We (in the Coach subforum) do authenticate items that were purchased elsewhere; we just want to know.

I'm sorry but the buyer is correct that the bag is fake. THe style number is incorrect for the style of the bag you sold and the creed/serial number has the wrong font for the year and plant in which it's claiming to have been made.

I don't know how long ago you bought the bag from the thrift store but if it's not returnable, IMO, it's a waste of money for you to pay return shipping to have it shipped back when you can't (legally) resell it anywhere.

If I'd sold the bag, I'd just refund the buyer and tell her to do with it as she pleases but to please not donate and not keep it in circulation.
 
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OK, thank you! That makes sense about refunding and not reselling of course!

Just a follow up question about the serial number not corresponding to the style of bag:

This website :
https://vintagecoachbags.com/index.php/authenticity-guide/
says:
Mid to Late 1970s

Under the Coach® Creed is printed: “MADE IN THE UNITED STATES” or “MADE IN U.S.A.” (This change is because Coach® began to manufacture bags in other locations within the United States, besides New York City.)

Serial number contains seven numbers in the format: xxx-xxxx.

The serial number is unique to each bag and does not correspond to the style number.

Is that correct?
 
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