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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
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  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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I wasn't aware of that!
I didn't want to clog up the thread. I go thrift shopping once a week with my mother and we find at least 10 Coach bags between the both of us each time.
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A word of advice - please don't spend time taking photos of any more "YKK" stampings on zippers. A zipper brand can NEVER prove that a Coach is genuine. Read my Signature under all my posts.
 
She responded fairly quickly saying "here are the pictures" but there was nothing attached to the message or embedded within. I asked her to please resend; we'll see how amenable she is to the request. Will report back with what happens next!
Just to follow up on this, she relisted the bag a week ago, I immediately asked her again (third time now) for photos, she responded only tonight saying she thought she sent them, but again no attached photos or embedded ones whatsoever (just a bunch of HTML code in the message which I scoured but again no photo links), and the listing hasn't had any additional photos added. I told her I couldn't bid on something if I didn't know what I was actually bidding on. C'est la vie, but it's just kind of stupid and frustrating.
 
Just to follow up on this, she relisted the bag, I asked her again (third time now) for photos immediately, she responded just tonight saying she thought she sent them, but again no attached photos or embedded ones whatsoever (just a bunch of HTML code in the message which I scoured but again no photo links), and the listing hasn't had any additional photos added. I told her I couldn't bid on something if I didn't know what I was actually bidding on. C'est la vie, but it's just kind of stupid and frustrating.
If she relisted, why didn't she just put the extra photos in the listing?
 
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Thrift find, no link
Length 5.5” (Round Base)
Width 5.5” (depth)
Height 7.5”
Strap drop - 21”
Thanking you in advance for your Expertise!
Pam
 
Thank you for the advice!
I've always been told "YKK" and "Ideal" zippers were one way to know. Good to know that's not always true.

It's NEVER true!

I've gone through this horse poop for the last 10 or 15 years trying to explain WHY it's not true. I'm just going to repost the entire "YKK Myth" section of the Salearea Coach Guides right here and right now, and anyone reading this is welcome to challenge my statements and prove I'm wrong. And by "prove", I don't mean quoting any anonymous "authenticity guide" someone's found on the Internet. This challenge is not aimed at you, but to anyone who thinks that Truth is an integral part of the internet, and what they read on the 'net or find on Google must be true

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/salearea-guides.983575/page-2#post-32253103

Part 5 - Coach and the YKK Zipper Myth - the Basic Facts - SALEAREA COACH GUIDES

By Hyacinth for Salearea
Coach and the YKK Zipper Myth - the Basic Facts

THE BRAND OF ZIPPER ON A COACH ITEM DOES NOT PROVE WHETHER IT'S REAL OR FAKE.

A high percentage of Coach authenticity guides have some reference to the almost-sacred "YKK zippers on a Coach prove it's genuine" myth. Sorry, but that statement is just a myth. A LIE, actually. A piece of stamped metal will never prove a Coach is real, and having a zipper with a different brand name does NOT mean it's fake.

First of all, some facts - Coach has been making bags for a long time, and its early styles - those thick, heavy glove-tanned cowhide beauties - usually had zippers that were as heavy-duty as the leathers. Originally the US-made vintage bags used mostly Talon zippers, Talon being a US-based company famous for durable, high-quality fasteners. Coach even used an "industrial-style" Talon zipper that was set into a blue denim-colored fabric base on many of its early styles from the 70s and 80s.

(While on the subject of zippers - a plastic or nylon zipper in a Coach is NOT the sign of a fake, or even a cheaper product. Coach HAS used plastic/nylon zippers often and for several reasons, one being that they sometimes prefer to have the color of the zipper match the leather or lining it's sewn into. Another reason is to lighten the weight of the bag. Coach has made many efforts over the years to shave unnecessary weight off their handbags because of complaints from buyers of neck, shoulder and back injuries due to carrying heavy purses. They even started an entirely new line in the late 1980s called the Lightweights, which had lighter hardware including zippers and thinner, lightweight leathers. The Lightweights eventually became the Sohos, which still use less-heavy materials and often use less chunky nickel or stainless steel hardware instead of the heavier brass.)

Later Coach added YKK, ECLAIR, RIRI, and possibly ZIPLON and DOVE and even an occasional local brand in bags made outside the US. Some zippers didn't have any maker's name, just maybe a number or a trademark stamp so what company they came from is anyone's guess. Coach's zippers are MOSTLY from YKK right now, but they've used a wide variety of suppliers in the past, and even now not all Coach bags will have YKK zippers. IDEAL stamps are found on many genuine Coaches today. No Coach should ever be assumed to be fake or be reported as fake just because the zipper isn't stamped YKK.


Common-sense Point #1 - YKK sells to tens of thousands of different manufacturers. YKK is the largest zipper manufacturer in the world. As long as someone can pay the price, they can get the merchandise. They certainly don't sell to Coach exclusively, nor do they expect Coach to use only YKK zippers exclusively. They sell to everyone from LeSportsac to Louis Vuitton, NOT just Coach. And many fakes manufacturers, especially after reading dozens if not hundreds of "Guides" that tell potential buyers "if your Coach bag has YKK zippers, then it's probably real" are more than happy to spend a few extra bucks/grickles/yuan/quatloos to buy that brand if it makes their junk easier to peddle to improperly informed buyers who have been unlucky enough to read and believe the nonsense found in so many of those "authenticity guides".


And if they're NOT ready to spend a bit extra for the real thing, there's always:

Common-sense Point #2 - COUNTERFEIT YKK zippers. Of COURSE YKK zippers are counterfeited - why wouldn't they be? YKK's website warns about the problem and it's a very big one. If a manufacturer of fake Coaches wants to save a few bucks they have no problem at all finding someone who'll supply cheap zippers that look and maybe for a few weeks almost work like real YKKs. Use that Common Sense mentioned previously - How hard is it to fake a zipper?
https://www.ykkfastening.com/brand/counterfeit.html

So when you come across a Guide that gives you that YKK rule, remember the fact that zippers don't prove anything. And that maybe you need to look for a better guide. Because no one single detail, or even 2 or 3 details, can EVER prove by themselves that a Coach is genuine.

Posted 2011, updated May 2018
 
It's NEVER true!

I've gone through this horse poop for the last 10 or 15 years trying to explain WHY it's not true. I'm just going to repost the entire "YKK Myth" section of the Salearea Coach Guides right here and right now, and anyone reading this is welcome to challenge my statements and prove I'm wrong. And by "prove", I don't mean quoting any anonymous "authenticity guide" someone's found on the Internet. This challenge is not aimed at you, but to anyone who thinks that Truth is an integral part of the internet, and what they read on the 'net or find on Google must be true

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/salearea-guides.983575/page-2#post-32253103

Part 5 - Coach and the YKK Zipper Myth - the Basic Facts - SALEAREA COACH GUIDES

By Hyacinth for Salearea
Coach and the YKK Zipper Myth - the Basic Facts

THE BRAND OF ZIPPER ON A COACH ITEM DOES NOT PROVE WHETHER IT'S REAL OR FAKE.

A high percentage of Coach authenticity guides have some reference to the almost-sacred "YKK zippers on a Coach prove it's genuine" myth. Sorry, but that statement is just a myth. A LIE, actually. A piece of stamped metal will never prove a Coach is real, and having a zipper with a different brand name does NOT mean it's fake.

First of all, some facts - Coach has been making bags for a long time, and its early styles - those thick, heavy glove-tanned cowhide beauties - usually had zippers that were as heavy-duty as the leathers. Originally the US-made vintage bags used mostly Talon zippers, Talon being a US-based company famous for durable, high-quality fasteners. Coach even used an "industrial-style" Talon zipper that was set into a blue denim-colored fabric base on many of its early styles from the 70s and 80s.

(While on the subject of zippers - a plastic or nylon zipper in a Coach is NOT the sign of a fake, or even a cheaper product. Coach HAS used plastic/nylon zippers often and for several reasons, one being that they sometimes prefer to have the color of the zipper match the leather or lining it's sewn into. Another reason is to lighten the weight of the bag. Coach has made many efforts over the years to shave unnecessary weight off their handbags because of complaints from buyers of neck, shoulder and back injuries due to carrying heavy purses. They even started an entirely new line in the late 1980s called the Lightweights, which had lighter hardware including zippers and thinner, lightweight leathers. The Lightweights eventually became the Sohos, which still use less-heavy materials and often use less chunky nickel or stainless steel hardware instead of the heavier brass.)

Later Coach added YKK, ECLAIR, RIRI, and possibly ZIPLON and DOVE and even an occasional local brand in bags made outside the US. Some zippers didn't have any maker's name, just maybe a number or a trademark stamp so what company they came from is anyone's guess. Coach's zippers are MOSTLY from YKK right now, but they've used a wide variety of suppliers in the past, and even now not all Coach bags will have YKK zippers. IDEAL stamps are found on many genuine Coaches today. No Coach should ever be assumed to be fake or be reported as fake just because the zipper isn't stamped YKK.


Common-sense Point #1 - YKK sells to tens of thousands of different manufacturers. YKK is the largest zipper manufacturer in the world. As long as someone can pay the price, they can get the merchandise. They certainly don't sell to Coach exclusively, nor do they expect Coach to use only YKK zippers exclusively. They sell to everyone from LeSportsac to Louis Vuitton, NOT just Coach. And many fakes manufacturers, especially after reading dozens if not hundreds of "Guides" that tell potential buyers "if your Coach bag has YKK zippers, then it's probably real" are more than happy to spend a few extra bucks/grickles/yuan/quatloos to buy that brand if it makes their junk easier to peddle to improperly informed buyers who have been unlucky enough to read and believe the nonsense found in so many of those "authenticity guides".


And if they're NOT ready to spend a bit extra for the real thing, there's always:

Common-sense Point #2 - COUNTERFEIT YKK zippers. Of COURSE YKK zippers are counterfeited - why wouldn't they be? YKK's website warns about the problem and it's a very big one. If a manufacturer of fake Coaches wants to save a few bucks they have no problem at all finding someone who'll supply cheap zippers that look and maybe for a few weeks almost work like real YKKs. Use that Common Sense mentioned previously - How hard is it to fake a zipper?
https://www.ykkfastening.com/brand/counterfeit.html

So when you come across a Guide that gives you that YKK rule, remember the fact that zippers don't prove anything. And that maybe you need to look for a better guide. Because no one single detail, or even 2 or 3 details, can EVER prove by themselves that a Coach is genuine.

Posted 2011, updated May 2018
Wow! Had no idea! Thank you for the helpful info! My mother had soo many Coach bags when I was younger. I would have loved to post them all on here to see if they were real or not. Sadly she died 15 years ago and a year after that our house burn to the ground and took them all with it.
ETA: I should probably clarify something. In an above post I said I go thrifting with my mother and in this post I said my mother died 15 years ago. I go thrifting with my step mother, I was 11 when my mother died and I hardly remember her. I call my step mother my mother. Didn't want people to think I was making things up. Sorry for that. Lol
 
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Wow! Had no idea! Thank you for the helpful info! My mother had soo many Coach bags when I was younger. I would have loved to post them all on here to see if they were real or not. Sadly she died 15 years ago and a year after that our house burn to the ground and took them all with it.
ETA: I should probably clarify something. In an above post I said I go thrifting with my mother and in this post I said my mother died 15 years ago. I go thrifting with my step mother, I was 11 when my mother died and I hardly remember her. I call my step mother my mother. Didn't want people to think I was making things up. Sorry for that. Lol

I'm sorry for your loss.

It sounds like you and your stepmother have a good relationship though. :smile:
 
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