Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

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• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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  Listing number:
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[Hyacinth]

The photos of the bag on Poshmark are awful & do not do the bag justice! I'd be turned off too if those were the pics on Ebay. Much nicer looking in my photos
Wondering if I should chime in on the Purseforum conversation!
You certainly did your resesrch Beenburned ~ much appreciated

I don't think the bag is as ugly as some seemed to believe although between the fragility of python scales and the fact that it's an endangered species, I don't think I'd use one but to each her own.

However, we've said so many times (here and elsewhere) that just because a bag might be ugly and may not look like something Coach would make, it doesn't mean it's not authentic.

As I read those two threads, I could feel my blood pressure rising because although I didn't see the listing or pictures at the time, and having the benefit of seeing your pictures, it sounds as though that seller's account was unfairly dinged with a "trademark/counterfeit" removal. (JMHO)

With that said, in answer to your question of whether you should chime in to the 10 year old conversations, I wouldn't do it. Most of the members in those discussions aren't still posting here and those who are probably don't remember what they were talking about.

The takeaway from that discussion is the discussing is good, opinions (pro and con) are fine but jumping to conclusions can be dangerous.

Again, I am positive that your bag is genuine and you should enjoy your wonderful deal. SHould you ever decide to sell it, you would like recoup your investment several times over!

Just don't try to sell it in California! Or maybe the law there doesn't apply to pre-owned items?

What's really ironic is that although some or all python species are considered endangered in their native habitats, they're a huge problem now in Florida and the Burmese Python is an invasive species that's causing major carnage to Florida's native wildlife including alligators. There should be a way for the exotic leather industry to hunt and certify the skins of Florida-caught Burmese pythons as legal to sell even in Cali. I think there may already be a bounty on them in Florida or at least state-funded hunting of them by professionals, but more needs to be done, especially since global warming will make it easier for them to start moving farther north. And like anything involving money there's always the potential for abuse.

 

[nursebetty]

It looks fine although I would have liked to see the back of the tan leather hangtag, there was a special stamp on the pilot (preproduction) version, which also had a different creed stamp. It was originally called a Poppy Leather New Willis and yours was made in 2012. Since 2011 was Coach's official 75th Anniversary and since yours made in 2012 it probably wouldn't have had the 75th Anniversary stamps.

There's an entire thread about the preproduction version here:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/my-pce-willis-natural-picture-heavy.714586/
Some other details may also have changed between the preproduction one made in Fall 2011 and yours which was made in May 2012

You might want to check the posts at the Coach Clubhouse - Rehab and Rescue thread in the main Coach forum for information on cleaning vachetta leather.

Thanks so much! Here's a pic of the hang tag backing. Totally plain.

 

[whateve]

Just don't try to sell it in California! Or maybe the law there doesn't apply to pre-owned items?

What's really ironic is that although some or all python species are considered endangered in their native habitats, they're a huge problem now in Florida and the Burmese Python is an invasive species that's causing major carnage to Florida's native wildlife including alligators. There should be a way for the exotic leather industry to hunt and certify the skins of Florida-caught Burmese pythons as legal to sell even in Cali. I think there may already be a bounty on them in Florida or at least state-funded hunting of them by professionals, but more needs to be done, especially since global warming will make it easier for them to start moving farther north. And like anything involving money there's always the potential for abuse.

The law applies to everything, including pre-owned. California endangered species laws often don't make sense.

 

[BeenBurned]

The law applies to everything, including pre-owned. California endangered species laws often don't make sense.

But since the owner of the bag is in Florida and if a buyer in California bought it, there's no way anyone would know what's inside the package, right? How would the authorities know and how could they prevent the sale?

 

[whateve]

But since the owner of the bag is in Florida and if a buyer in California bought it, there's no way anyone would know what's inside the package, right? How would the authorities know and how could they prevent the sale?

They probably wouldn't. I don't think ebay blocks buyers from California for python or even has an option to allow a seller to do that. I believe it couldn't be sold to a buyer in Canada either. I know that if it was sold on Tradesy and returned, Tradesy wouldn't resell it since they are in California. They would return it to the seller.

 

[BeenBurned]

They probably wouldn't. I don't think ebay blocks buyers from California for python or even has an option to allow a seller to do that. I believe it couldn't be sold to a buyer in Canada either. I know that if it was sold on Tradesy and returned, Tradesy wouldn't resell it since they are in California. They would return it to the seller.

It would be different if sold to a Canadian buyer because international shipments are subject to inspection. Although inspection is "random" and even if the seller didn't indicate python on the customs form (i.e., described as Coach bag), if opened and inspected, it could be confiscated. (I'm not sure who loses out on the money in a case like that.)

 

[elvisfan4life]

Hi ladies opinions on this bag? Opinion on the rogur clubhouse is divided

 

[whateve]

Hi ladies opinions on this bag? Opinion on the rogur clubhouse is divided

Bags with a serial number of all zeros or all nines can't be authenticated. They are often claimed to be samples, but there is almost no way to prove it.

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi ladies opinions on this bag? Opinion on the rogur clubhouse is divided

Bags with a serial number of all zeros or all nines can't be authenticated. They are often claimed to be samples, but there is almost no way to prove it.

I'll go a step further than @whateve. For at least 10 years, we've been seeing claimed "samples" and "employee sale" items and not a single seller has EVER shown any evidence of their "source" or proof of purchase.

Until I see some concrete proof, I'd say there's NO WAY (as opposed to Whateve's "almost no way") to prove authenticity of bags with 00000 as well as 99999 bags.

In the case of the bag you're questioning, not only does it have a 00000 style number but the prefix is all zeros too. (In other cases, we've seen similar "samples" with actual date and plant prefixes, but often the prefixes indicate that the "sample" would have been made years before Coach introduced the similar style.)

Unless you own the bag and plan to keep it forever, never planning to sell or donate it, I don't recommend keeping it. If you sell, there's no way for you to prove authenticity of your item in the event a buyer disputes nor can the buyer verify authenticity.

Personally, I'm not comfortable with it.

 

[elvisfan4life]

I'll go a step further than @whateve. For at least 10 years, we've been seeing claimed "samples" and "employee sale" items and not a single seller has EVER shown any evidence of their "source" or proof of purchase.

Until I see some concrete proof, I'd say there's NO WAY (as opposed to Whateve's "almost no way") to prove authenticity of bags with 00000 as well as 99999 bags.

In the case of the bag you're questioning, not only does it have a 00000 style number but the prefix is all zeros too. (In other cases, we've seen similar "samples" with actual date and plant prefixes, but often the prefixes indicate that the "sample" would have been made years before Coach introduced the similar style.)

Unless you own the bag and plan to keep it forever, never planning to sell or donate it, I don't recommend keeping it. If you sell, there's no way for you to prove authenticity of your item in the event a buyer disputes nor can the buyer verify authenticity.

Personally, I'm not comfortable with it.

no I haven't bought it as I was convinced it was a fake thank you

 

[BeenBurned]

no I haven't bought it as I was convinced it was a fake thank you

Is it listed somewhere? While I can't say it's reportable, I'd like to see it. Sometimes sellers of "samples" have various other similar items.

 

[elvisfan4life]

Is it listed somewhere? While I can't say it's reportable, I'd like to see it. Sometimes sellers of "samples" have various other similar items.

It's on UK eBay seller has other coach items and feedback shows she has sold coach bags in the past but not excessive amounts

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi ladies opinions on this bag? Opinion on the rogur clubhouse is divided

Bags with a serial number of all zeros or all nines can't be authenticated. They are often claimed to be samples, but there is almost no way to prove it.

I'll go a step further than @whateve. For at least 10 years, we've been seeing claimed "samples" and "employee sale" items and not a single seller has EVER shown any evidence of their "source" or proof of purchase.

Until I see some concrete proof, I'd say there's NO WAY (as opposed to Whateve's "almost no way") to prove authenticity of bags with 00000 as well as 99999 bags.

In the case of the bag you're questioning, not only does it have a 00000 style number but the prefix is all zeros too. (In other cases, we've seen similar "samples" with actual date and plant prefixes, but often the prefixes indicate that the "sample" would have been made years before Coach introduced the similar style.)

Unless you own the bag and plan to keep it forever, never planning to sell or donate it, I don't recommend keeping it. If you sell, there's no way for you to prove authenticity of your item in the event a buyer disputes nor can the buyer verify authenticity.

Personally, I'm not comfortable with it.

no I haven't bought it as I was convinced it was a fake thank you

Is it listed somewhere? While I can't say it's reportable, I'd like to see it. Sometimes sellers of "samples" have various other similar items.

It's on UK eBay seller has other coach items and feedback shows she has sold coach bags in the past but not excessive amounts

And again, there's a reason why we need to see the information requested (required) by post 1, page 1.

Seller qt_cinnamon (67)

I'm further convinced that this is a seller to avoid. Her listings have the same red flags we've seen in other sellers' listings for "samples," "employee sales," or whatever other similar and evasive terminology they choose to use to describe their source.

• She has multiple different bags listed as "prototype."
• All are "new without tags"
• None have any type of proof that the bags were sold through a legit source.

Here's another with 00000-00000 as the serial number:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/COACH-Pr...h=item26132e803e:g:hDYAAOSwMDhcXFEl:rk:7:pf:0

Another NWOT but without enough images to authenticate:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/COACH-Sw...7:g:-soAAOSwQrJbU3id:rk:3:pf:1&frcectupt=true
and
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/COACH-Sk...=item261347975a:g:kgcAAOSwo3xcXWVM:rk:11:pf:0
and
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/COACH-Sw...=item26132e67fe:g:uOIAAOSwkJNcXFDB:rk:12:pf:0

And the bag you originally asked about:
COACH Rogue with Leather Sequin Flower Appliqué and Embellishments - Beige

 

[Hyacinth]

Thanks so much! Here's a pic of the hang tag backing. Totally plain.

Thanks, I thought so. But it's still genuine.

 

[Halogal]

Just don't try to sell it in California! Or maybe the law there doesn't apply to pre-owned items?

What's really ironic is that although some or all python species are considered endangered in their native habitats, they're a huge problem now in Florida and the Burmese Python is an invasive species that's causing major carnage to Florida's native wildlife including alligators. There should be a way for the exotic leather industry to hunt and certify the skins of Florida-caught Burmese pythons as legal to sell even in Cali. I think there may already be a bounty on them in Florida or at least state-funded hunting of them by professionals, but more needs to be done, especially since global warming will make it easier for them to start moving farther north. And like anything involving money there's always the potential for abuse.