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#28,621
BaileyW said:
I'm deciding between these 2 listings. Please authenticate if possible.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1200-NWT-Co...sh=item1ca66f3bcb:g:AHoAAOSwJ0xab1kn#payCntId

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/COACH-86856...809083?hash=item1ca78841bb:g:xhwAAOSwvTpaLJ5v
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For future requests, please refer to post 1 on page 1 of the thread for the posting format we need. It's helpful in searches for sellers and/or listings.

Over the last several years, we've been seeing some extremely close faking of newer styles. Authenticating them takes a lot of time and that's only possible when sellers have clear and detailed pictures. Neither listing shows the made in tag, something that's necessary when the creed doesn't state where it was made.

I have a couple of other comments.
1. both bags have tags indicating the color is heather grey but one listing appears to be significantly darker than the other. I don't know if it's lighting or the actual color difference but you might want to check with the sellers to verify the color.
2. although both bags are identical and both were made for full-priced stores, one was apparently purchased from the outlet, as indicated by the tag with "F" in front of the style number. That price tag was made at the outlet and for some reason, the UPC code is slightly different from the other.
raehart1 's UPC ends with 82114 (boutique)
ozarksmeadows's UPC ends with 82115 (outlet)
I'm not sure why that is. AFAIK, identical items (same style, color, size) should have identical UPC codes.
3. I noticed that the two listings seem to have different zipper pulls on the inside zipper pocket (above the creed). I'm not sure what that means or why they differ.
4. It could be lighting but the listing from ozarksmeadows seems to have yellower stitching on the creed.

OTHER OPINIONS ARE WELCOME. If any other members have this bag (style 86856) and can offer any information, please feel free.
 
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Thank you, I appreciate your time. I did question the seller ozarkmeadows, she said the bag was transferred from a retail store to an outlet. The other seller stated that she has several of these handbags and that the color is slightly lighter. I would appreciate any other members input. I remember seeing this bag in our local Coach store but I don’t recall if the “genuine glovetanned pebble leather” was stamped on the bottom. I do see this on other Rogue satchels listed but not on either of these bags.


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#28,625
Hyacinth said:
It seems like a genuine 9139 Bellini Zip, but if you win it I'd like to see a clearer photo of the creed and serial number. The last number could be either an 8 or a 9. Why do you think it might be fake?
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The stitching on the sides is really uneven. I know that Coach bags are not perfect, but if it’s authentic, either there is an unusual angle in the pics, or someone was asleep at the quality control. Look at the next to last picture, and the one right before that. I also remember seeing this style well represented in NYC Chinatown :smile:, with the same stitching issues.
 
#28,626
Minchanka said:
The stitching on the sides is really uneven. I know that Coach bags are not perfect, but if it’s authentic, either there is an unusual angle in the pics, or someone was asleep at the quality control. Look at the next to last picture, and the one right before that. I also remember seeing this style well represented in NYC Chinatown :smile:, with the same stitching issues.
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I've modified my reply. The more I look at it the shakier it looks.And I don't like just using stitching to call something fake, even when it's as wonky as it is here.

I'm also comparing the front stamp to one on Ebay, and the proportions look slightly different. I DON'T recommend buying it but without a readable serial photo I don't recommend reporting it either.
ETA - I don't like the old-style font on the creed's Coach logo either. That style was intro'd in Summer 1999 as a Fall style and should have the newer thinner font.
If it can be proved that the year code is 8 or the plant code is L, then it's fake.

Here's the best close-up of the creed that I could save.

9139_illeg-prefix+old logo font-lg-b.jpg
 
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Hyacinth said:
I've modified my reply. The more I look at it the shakier it looks.And I don't like just using stitching to call something fake, even when it's as wonky as it is here.

I'm also comparing the front stamp to one on Ebay, and the proportions look slightly different. I DON'T recommend buying it but without a readable serial photo I don't recommend reporting it either.
ETA - I don't like the old-style font on the creed's Coach logo either. That style was intro'd in Summer 1999 as a Fall style and should have the newer thinner font.
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Thanks, Hyacinth. I would never call it fake outright, but I thought it was suspicious, that’s why I posted it here. Being in NY, I’ve seen lots of fakes on the streets and it’s a very fascinating topic for me - which brands/styles get faked and which don’t, and the economics and cultural aspects of it.
 
#28,628
Minchanka said:
Thanks, Hyacinth. I would never call it fake outright, but I thought it was suspicious, that’s why I posted it here. Being in NY, I’ve seen lots of fakes on the streets and it’s a very fascinating topic for me - which brands/styles get faked and which don’t, and the economics and cultural aspects of it.
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I appreciate that. Someone could wite an entire encyclopedia just on Canal Street fakes and the people who sell. them. :biggrin:

We've seen some shaky stitching in the past, especially in bags from new plants where the employees haven't been trained completely and still get sloppy or lazy sometimes. The newly opened China plants back around 2000-2004 were good examples.

For reference, here's an example of the wonky stitching from the questionable bag:

9139_illeg-prefix+old logo font-lg-c.jpg
 
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I have two. One that I think is authentic (just want to be extra sure) and the other which I'm not sure about.

Item: VINTAGE COACH WILLIS BLACK
Listing number: 152979931741
Seller: 16211863parker
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CO...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649
Comments: This one seems authentic. However, the "Leatherware" on the patch makes me unsure because it was made in '94.

Item: VTG COACH WILLIS #9927 BLACK
Listing number: 173227918460
Seller: paysn2bil
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-COACH-...BAG/173227918460?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144
Comments: The first part of the creed threw me off. If I'm reading it right, it was made in Oct. 2002. Did Coach make the Willis at that point?
 
#28,630
faithbw said:
I have two. One that I think is authentic (just want to be extra sure) and the other which I'm not sure about.

Item: VINTAGE COACH WILLIS BLACK
Listing number: 152979931741
Seller: 16211863parker
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COACH-WILLIS-BLACK-LEATHER-SHOULDER-CROSSBODY-HAND-BAG-PURSE-9927/152979931741?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649
Comments: This one seems authentic. However, the "Leatherware" on the patch makes me unsure because it was made in '94.

Item: VTG COACH WILLIS #9927 BLACK
Listing number: 173227918460
Seller: paysn2bil
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-COACH-...BAG/173227918460?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144
Comments: The first part of the creed threw me off. If I'm reading it right, it was made in Oct. 2002. Did Coach make the Willis at that point?
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Both are authentic. Coach made Willis up until around 2013, if I remember correctly. The 1994 creed still has Leatherware because not all plants switched to the new format creed at the same time. In 1994, most were still using the old creed format.
 
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Hyacinth said:
I've modified my reply. The more I look at it the shakier it looks.And I don't like just using stitching to call something fake, even when it's as wonky as it is here.

I'm also comparing the front stamp to one on Ebay, and the proportions look slightly different. I DON'T recommend buying it but without a readable serial photo I don't recommend reporting it either.
ETA - I don't like the old-style font on the creed's Coach logo either. That style was intro'd in Summer 1999 as a Fall style and should have the newer thinner font.
If it can be proved that the year code is 8 or the plant code is L, then it's fake.

Here's the best close-up of the creed that I could save.

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The seller empressalicia333 added more creed pictures. The year IS 8 (1998) and the plant is D.
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