Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

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IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
    Comments:

  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
Thank you and be safe!
 
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#26,941
alexandria tale said:
Thank you very much! So my suspicion is right. One more question. I've seen many of the fake bags included the "greeting card from Mike" along with the old carecard for the newer styles. Is that greeting card really exist in the past?

Oh, to answer your question, I think the raw edges is not the dustbag
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We never judge authenticity of a bag by the props that either are included or missing. Anything can be faked so fake paperwork and dustbags can be shown with fakes as well as authentic props shown to give the impression that a fake is authentic.
 
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Hey all!
Sorry. I'm new here, and didn't know where to write my question! Please forgive!
Heh.
I'm trying to figure out if this serial number is authentic or not, and for the life of me can't figure it out! I thought maybe someone would just KNOW.

N2-53D-9060

I've read a couple of different places that Coach never had serial numbers split up into 3 sections, and I've also been unable to find any photo examples of any.
Any input would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks!
 
#26,944
BeenBurned said:
I'll answer your last question first because it's the easiest to answer. Outlet bags generally don't include dust bags unless they have one available to give you, possibly from a FP bag that got separated from the dust bag.

Regarding the dust bag, one of your pictures shows a really sloppy raw edge. Is that part of the dust bag? That doesn't seem right; I've never seen that type of sloppiness on a genuine dust bag. I question the authenticity of the dust bag.
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As for the black bag, if I'd bought the bag, I'd return it. Because the bags are well faked, I suspect this might be one of the close ones.

As the following pictures show, the font and spacing are off on the white labels as compared with others from 2015 and from the same factory.

Additionally, although few sellers have enough of the "right" pictures, I can't find a single bag with logo lining.

I just don't feel comfortable enough with the details of the black bag. I don't believe it's authentic.

In the picture below, the first image is the black Kelsey bag in question.

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Hi BeenBurned, please check again post #26488 & #26489 where you confirmed it's fine. Alexandria tale is asking the black kelsey using my photos and some others' photos (accessories photos are not mine).

Could you please confirm it's actually fine or fake? Thank you.
 

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#26,945
HamsterJane said:
Hey all!
Sorry. I'm new here, and didn't know where to write my question! Please forgive!
Heh.
I'm trying to figure out if this serial number is authentic or not, and for the life of me can't figure it out! I thought maybe someone would just KNOW.

N2-53D-9060

I've read a couple of different places that Coach never had serial numbers split up into 3 sections, and I've also been unable to find any photo examples of any.
Any input would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks!
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Without pictures, we can't authenticate anything but what you've described for the first part "N2" is possibly being misread. It could be No
 
#26,946
HamsterJane said:
Hey all!
Sorry. I'm new here, and didn't know where to write my question! Please forgive!
Heh.
I'm trying to figure out if this serial number is authentic or not, and for the life of me can't figure it out! I thought maybe someone would just KNOW.

N2-53D-9060

I've read a couple of different places that Coach never had serial numbers split up into 3 sections, and I've also been unable to find any photo examples of any.
Any input would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks!
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First of all, please read POST NUMBER ONE in this thread. NOTHING can be authenticated as genuine with just a serial number. Post photos and/or a link to the listing.
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/

Second, someone else or maybe you apparently didn't even copy the number correctly, that's not a valid format. Please supply valid information. We don't play guessing games here, we need solid facts and photos. If some seller sent you that number, insist on clear photos and post them here.

EDITED TO ADD - if the number is from this Ebay listing,
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Co...677019?hash=item25e976f41b:g:WkAAAOSwAHBaNmWF
there are at 2 mistakes in the number you posted compared to the actual number in the bag.

It looks more like "No 5(can't read, maybe a 3 or a 6?)D-9060" .THE BAG IS FAKE. The font and date codes are wrong and the style number isn't even correct for that style.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED PHOTOS. And that's also why seller " lakeshiashops " needs to authenticate her Coaches BEFORE listing them. If you're the seller, say so NOW because this fake needs to be reported to Ebay ASAP.

5 3-maybe D-9060-a.jpg 5 3-maybe D-9060-b.jpg
 
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debra_8th said:
Hi, could you please authenticate this small kelsey black from private seller? TIA
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BeenBurned said:
It looks fine.
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debra_8th said:
Hi BeenBurned, please check again post #26488 & #26489 where you confirmed it's fine. Alexandria tale is asking the black kelsey using my photos and some others' photos (accessories photos are not mine).

Could you please confirm it's actually fine or fake? Thank you.
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Ugh! I think I might just stop authenticating Facebook listings unless viewable links to the listings are shown.
1. I am not seeing the FB account and can't verify whether the seller's pictures are her own.
2. I can't tell whether the poster is a potential buyer vetting a purchase or a seller trying to sell

Okay, further explanation is needed.
Who is the seller?
Who is the buyer?
Why was the bag asked about on December 26-27 and again on January 23-24?

In post #26933, I did contradict my previous post concerning my opinion of the bag's authenticity but was also careful to say (in that post) that "if I'd bought the bag, I'd return it. Because the bags are well faked, I suspect this might be one of the close ones."

When authenticating, sometimes it's clear that a bag is "authentic" or "fake," but in some cases (and as I've repeated many times in the last 3 years), several of the newer styles are quite closely faked and often very difficult to positively identify one way or the other.

In fact, I spent well over an hour studying alexandria tale's pictures, her comps, my own comps, my own photo records, many listings for the same style bag and many other listings looking for bags made at the same time and factory.

Sometimes authenticating isn't an exact science.

I do stand by my opinion stated today that there are enough details of the black bag combined with an inability to find another bag with the same details that I would not buy or sell that bag and wouldn't recommend it to whoever the buyer is.

Other opinions are welcome. I'm the first to admit I'm not perfect and could have made a mistake. (Clearly, I didn't study the bag closely enough in December when it was asked about!)

Posters also need to understand that those of us who contribute here get no compensation in any form and the time involved in research is extensive!
 
#26,949
alexandria tale said:
Yes, I'm asking the same bag but I got the picture from different person, that's why the accessories photo is not hers. I already saw the pictures before she asked here and thought that the serial number is weird, so that's why I want to confirm it :smile:
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So you aren't the buyer?

Is someone selling that bag using someone else's pictures?

That's why it's so important to see pictures of the actual item as well as the seller's other listings to see if the seller uses her own images.
 
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BeenBurned said:
Ugh! I think I might just stop authenticating Facebook listings unless viewable links to the listings are shown.
1. I am not seeing the FB account and can't verify whether the seller's pictures are her own.
2. I can't tell whether the poster is a potential buyer vetting a purchase or a seller trying to sell

Okay, further explanation is needed.
Who is the seller?
Who is the buyer?
Why was the bag asked about on December 26-27 and again on January 23-24?

In post #26933, I did contradict my previous post concerning my opinion of the bag's authenticity but was also careful to say (in that post) that "if I'd bought the bag, I'd return it. Because the bags are well faked, I suspect this might be one of the close ones."

When authenticating, sometimes it's clear that a bag is "authentic" or "fake," but in some cases (and as I've repeated many times in the last 3 years), several of the newer styles are quite closely faked and often very difficult to positively identify one way or the other.

In fact, I spent well over an hour studying alexandria tale's pictures, her comps, my own comps, my own photo records, many listings for the same style bag and many other listings looking for bags made at the same time and factory.

Sometimes authenticating isn't an exact science.

I do stand by my opinion stated today that there are enough details of the black bag combined with an inability to find another bag with the same details that I would not buy or sell that bag and wouldn't recommend it to whoever the buyer is.

Other opinions are welcome. I'm the first to admit I'm not perfect and could have made a mistake. (Clearly, I didn't study the bag closely enough in December when it was asked about!)

Posters also need to understand that those of us who contribute here get no compensation in any form and the time involved in research is extensive!
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I'm the buyer. The seller was from Coach indonesia group. It's a closed group, so it's not possible to share a link.
 
#26,953
BeenBurned said:
Why some Alexandria Tale asking about it? Are you selling it? Is she buying?

If you still own the bag, I think you should return it.
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Alexandria Tale is comparing other people's photos. I'm not selling & she's not buying. It's just there's someone else in the group is asking for authentication and I recommended seeking opinion from TPF and some other people asked me to post mine's details for them to compare.

The seller didn't want to refund and also the bag is with me in Australia. I guess lesson learnt.
 
#26,954
BeenBurned said:
So you aren't the buyer?

Is someone selling that bag using someone else's pictures?

That's why it's so important to see pictures of the actual item as well as the seller's other listings to see if the seller uses her own images.
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No, on December 26th, I saw a potential buyer posted the bag with details as I uploaded earlier. She said she wanted to buy the bag but she wanted to ask the group's opinion whether the bag is fake or not. Majority of the group said that it was fake because of the things I said earlier (serial number, logo-ed lining). Then she canceled the transaction.

Yesterday, when debra_8th shared her pictures on the group, I remember the one before and compared them. And it seems some pictures are exactly the same. Why did I ask it here again instead of her? I'm really sorry if this is inappropriate, but as I really love coach and there are so many well-faked bags, I want to be able to learn how to differentiate authentic and fake bag. That's why I want to confirm whether this bag is actually fake or authentic
 
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For authentication requests, if items are listed somewhere online, whether current, sold, previously purchased or on Facebook or other social media, request must include links to the listings.

If items are posted on private facebook groups and we can't see them, I (personally) won't authenticate. I want to know that the item I'm authenticating is the item that the buyer will receive. Seeing sellers' other items helps determine whether sellers mix authentic and fakes, whether sellers use their own pictures, etc.
 
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