Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[whateve]

The creed was not deliberately obscured on the ergo. I will fix that. Is there any thing else about that ergo that you question. As for the mini satchel. Please advise provide me with the specifics as to why you believe it's fake. In the meantime I will list it as reserved so we do not sell a questioned bag to anyone.

I believe the blue ergo could be fake. The font of the number that I can see looks wrong. If I could see the entire creed, I could tell definitely. I would also like to see the zipper pull.

The orange ergo is fake because the font and spacing are wrong for the H plant. If you show me a picture of the male part of the snap, I might be able to see another problem.

 

[greggibbs]

The creed was not deliberately obscured on the ergo. I will fix that. Is there any thing else about that ergo that you question. As for the mini satchel. Please advise provide me with the specifics as to why you believe it's fake. In the meantime I will list it as reserved so we do not sell a questioned bag to anyone.

I am uploading a photo of the creed for the blue ergo. It was inadvertently cut off in the collage on the listing but I am currently adding the creed to the listing. Please let me know you opinion on the authenticity of the blue ergo.

 

[greggibbs]

I am uploading a photo of the creed for the blue ergo. It was inadvertently cut off in the collage on the listing but I am currently adding the creed to the listing. Please let me know you opinion on the authenticity of the blue ergo.

When the bag was questioned by been burned on the f

I pulled the bag when I learned there was a post on the purse forum questioning its authenticity.

I am upload

I believe the blue ergo could be fake. The font of the number that I can see looks wrong. If I could see the entire creed, I could tell definitely. I would also like to see the zipper pull.

The orange ergo is fake because the font and spacing are wrong for the H plant. If you show me a picture of the male part of the snap, I might be able to see another problem.

I just uploaded the blue creed but I will upload it again. As far as the mini satchel goes, I will deactivate that bag but, and please don't take this wrong, I am going to get another opinion. If I get an opinion that contradicts your opinion I will let you know.

 

[whateve]

I am uploading a photo of the creed for the blue ergo. It was inadvertently cut off in the collage on the listing but I am currently adding the creed to the listing. Please let me know you opinion on the authenticity of the blue ergo.

It's fake.
This bag is also fake: https://www.etsy.com/listing/262386...a_search_query=coach&ref=shop_items_search_32
See those indentations around the number? That's because the counterfeiters had it all on one stamp and you are seeing the edges of the stamp. Coach used rolling stamps, where each number was on it's own roller so they could switch it to the correct number. Besides that, the J factory code is invalid. It was only used for clothing at the time.

 

[greggibbs]

It's fake.
This bag is also fake: https://www.etsy.com/listing/262386...a_search_query=coach&ref=shop_items_search_32
See those indentations around the number? That's because the counterfeiters had it all on one stamp and you are seeing the edges of the stamp. Coach used rolling stamps, where each number was on it's own roller so they could switch it to the correct number. Besides that, the J factory code is invalid. It was only used for clothing at the time.

Are you saying it's your opinion that the blue ergo is fake? If so, what specific characteristics are you basing your opinion that the blue ergo is fake on?

 

[Hyacinth]

When the bag was questioned by been burned on the f

I pulled the bag when I learned there was a post on the purse forum questioning its authenticity.

Hi Greg,

You have too many listings for me to spend time going through all of them, but I'm wondering why did you obscure half the creed in this listing? https://www.etsy.com/listing/272044...a_search_query=coach&ref=shop_items_search_60
Is it because you know someone would realize there are problems with it?

This one is definitely fake: https://www.etsy.com/listing/541102...a_search_query=coach&ref=shop_items_search_84

Referring to the same baby blue "Ergo", I'm also disturbed that in this listing and in some others from the same seller, the creed photo is part of a collage and is so small that's it's completely unreadable even when the entire creed and serial number is shown. Instead we get a picture of Coach's catalog page which is at least 4 times larger than the creed pic. The creed and serial number are usually THE most important things we look at when authenticating, and truncated or unreadable creed and serial photos can be a red flag.

In the case of the "Ergo", the month and year codes are missing from the photo - critical items especially in styles that were faked as often as the Ergo line (for example, of the 8 style 9033s currently listed on Ebay, at least 2 are fake). The missing codes aren't shown anywhere in the description either. But what I can see using a magnifying glass is that a detail in the serial number is different from any other bag from that plant in my database of about 20 serial number photos of other bags from that same plant during the time the Ergos were in production. Going just by that one detail which is consistent across the board in genuine bags from that time and plant, if asked for my opinion I'd have to say that bag is either Questionable or Counterfeit.

 

[whateve]

I am upload

I just uploaded the blue creed but I will upload it again. As far as the mini satchel goes, I will deactivate that bag but, and please don't take this wrong, I am going to get another opinion. If I get an opinion that contradicts your opinion I will let you know.

Compare it to other creeds on your other bags that were made in the C plant. You'll see the differences, especially in the roundness of the 9s.

 

[greggibbs]

Referring to the same baby blue "Ergo", I'm also disturbed that in this listing and in some others from the same seller, the creed photo is part of a collage and is so small that's it's completely unreadable even when the entire creed and serial number is shown. Instead we get a picture of Coach's catalog page which is at least 4 times larger than the creed pic. The creed and serial number are usually THE most important things we look at when authenticating, and truncated or unreadable creed and serial photos can be a red flag.

In the case of the "Ergo", the month and year codes are missing from the photo - critical items especially in styles that were faked as often as the Ergo line. The missing codes aren't shown anywhere in the description either. But what I can see using a magnifying glass is that a detail in the serial number is different from any other bag from that plant in my database of about 20 serial number photos of other bags from that same plant during the time the Ergos were in production. Going just by that one detail which is consistent across the board in genuine bags from that time and plant, if asked for my opinion I'd have to say that bag is either Questionable or Counterfeit.

Hello Hyacinth. Thank you for taking the time to look at this. I have corrected the listing of the baby blue Ergo and added a photo number 6 that shows the creed in its entirety. There was no intent on my part to obscure the creed. At the time of that listing, Etsy only allowed 5 photos and it was my practice to try to use the collage to provide views and information I didn't have in the first four photos. Etsy added the ability to add 5 more photos earlier this year and I will make it a point to go through each listing and add the creed as a separate photo. [I will try to do that this week] I am uploading that baby blue ergo creed here and would like your opinion on the authenticity of that bag if you have one. Thanks, Greg

 

[greggibbs]

Are there reference materials available that identify which fonts are fake?

 

[greggibbs]

Compare it to other creeds on your other bags that were made in the C plant. You'll see the differences, especially in the roundness of the 9s.

I will do that. No disrespect intended but is there reference material you are relying on to make a decision that only certain fonts were used?

 

[whateve]

I will do that. No disrespect intended but is there reference material you are relying on to make a decision that only certain fonts were used?

The references we use are libraries of photos we have accumulated after looking at thousands of creeds. In nearly all cases, a bag with a counterfeit creed will have something else wrong with it. That is why I asked for a picture of the zipper pull on the blue bag. I believe the color is also a problem.

In answer to your other question, we don't want to make it easier for counterfeiters by providing them the information for making an undetectable counterfeiters, so we wouldn't publish a guide. There are many examples and comparisons shown in this thread.

 

[BeenBurned]

@greggibbs - I don't think you knowingly sell fakes and never implied it. What has been said many times when your listings have been questioned is that you don't verify authenticity either prior to your purchases of items from others nor prior to your listing your purchases when you resell.

Understand that none of us who authenticate (Coach) have issues with resellers and in fact, some of us probably find our own "steals" and flip them. The problems arise when a reseller isn't an expert in the brand and doesn't know how to verify that his or her items are authentic. And that seems to be the case here. You can't assume a bag is authentic just because the style number appears to match the style of the bag!

I did respond to your question about what's wrong with the "Monterey" bag you had listed. I told you that there were problems with the creed and serial number. I also told you not to trust the opinion of a stranger and to post here on TPF for other opinions.

But I was able to pull up a cache of the listing but only the first picture shows.
https://webcache.googleusercontent....-top-grain-in-camel+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

In the past, it's been suggested that you come here either before buying or before listing but you've neglected to do either.

ETA: Again, I recommend you post your pictures of the "Monterey" bag you had listed. Include the creed photo.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hello Hyacinth. Thank you for taking the time to look at this. I have corrected the listing of the baby blue Ergo and added a photo number 6 that shows the creed in its entirety. There was no intent on my part to obscure the creed. At the time of that listing, Etsy only allowed 5 photos and it was my practice to try to use the collage to provide views and information I didn't have in the first four photos. Etsy added the ability to add 5 more photos earlier this year and I will make it a point to go through each listing and add the creed as a separate photo. [I will try to do that this week] I am uploading that baby blue ergo creed here and would like your opinion on the authenticity of that bag if you have one. Thanks, Greg

It's definitely fake. Here's what an AUTHENTIC serial number font for a D9C- serial number would look like - Coach was still using the "original" font they had adopted in 1994 for both the C and D plants, and it's as unique as a fingerprint, like many of Coach's serial number fonts:


And by the April 1999 date in your serial number I believe that version of the Ergo line had already been discontinued. Also if the actual color is as "aqua" as your creed photo, that wouldn't have been a Coach color for that style and time period.

 

[BeenBurned]

This one is definitely fake: https://www.etsy.com/listing/541102...a_search_query=coach&ref=shop_items_search_84

Actually, that orange bag was posted back in November and a side-by-side comparison of the creeds shows the differences:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1716#post-31793980

 

[greggibbs]

The references we use are libraries of photos we have accumulated after looking at thousands of creeds. In nearly all cases, a bag with a counterfeit creed will have something else wrong with it. That is why I asked for a picture of the zipper pull on the blue bag. I believe the color is also a problem.

In answer to your other question, we don't want to make it easier for counterfeiters by providing them the information for making an undetectable counterfeiters, so we wouldn't publish a guide. There are many examples and comparisons shown in this thread.

It's definitely fake. Here's what an AUTHENTIC serial number font for a D9C- serial number would look like:
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It's definitely fake. Here's what an AUTHENTIC serial number font for a D9C- serial number would look like:
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And by the April 1999 date in your serial number I believe that version of the Ergo line had already been discontinued.

Is there reference material that establishes when a Coach style or line has been discontinued. That would be very helpful information.