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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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Hyacinth said:
Coach often changes details during production, and they've always done so. There are a lot of styles especially from a few years ago where their early production and website photos don't match the final versions. The only way to be sure is to authenticate it. But the problem we have here is that it's harder for us here in the USA to authenticate bags made for the Asian market if we don't have photos of actual examples known to have been bought directly from Coach, because Coach has made slightly different versions and different color combinations of the same style for different markets and different retail partners like department stores. It's always frustrating for us Yanks to look at the different international Coach sites, especially Japan and China, and see styles we can't even buy in the US. :crybaby:

Another thing to keep in mind especially in bags made for Asian markets is what kind of leather is used. For instance a patchwork bag made for the US and Europe might have one or two pigskin patches, but countries with a large Muslim population would never receive those, the patches would be changed for those markets or the style would not even be available. There was a vintage line of bags in the 1990s that came standard with pigskin trim and Coach actually made many of that line's styles in a no-pigskin version by special order.
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Wow that is fascinating actually! I never thought about different countries getting completely different items, I just assumed some got stuff earlier or had bigger sales. The pigskin thing does make sense, I didn't even know Coach ever used it - I googled some photos, seems like it's mostly for some detailing and such?

So the bag I was talking about only appears on websites of countries in Asia, I cannot find any trace of it on the UK or USA site. I looked it up by style number and color and even looked through archived coach / dinky pages from 2016 and I don't see it having been listed on coach.com. The only indication of it existing in USA is Nordstom + street photos + the blog posts about previewing the pre-fall 2016 collection. I'll show you the mystery in photos:

54543_a91.jpg Coach-Pre-Fall-2016-Bags-8.jpg 54543_oll6k_a0.jpg So these are on blog / asian sites

and this is bag that was ordered for me with the same style number in the USA: _12887845.jpg _12906593.jpgthe picture quality isn't great of these because it makes the bag look 'worse' but it's actually remarkably similar irl because the differences aren't apparent at first glance.
 
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okdot said:
Wow that is fascinating actually! I never thought about different countries getting completely different items, I just assumed some got stuff earlier or had bigger sales. The pigskin thing does make sense, I didn't even know Coach ever used it - I googled some photos, seems like it's mostly for some detailing and such?

So the bag I was talking about only appears on websites of countries in Asia, I cannot find any trace of it on the UK or USA site. I looked it up by style number and color and even looked through archived coach / dinky pages from 2016 and I don't see it having been listed on coach.com. The only indication of it existing in USA is Nordstom + street photos + the blog posts about previewing the pre-fall 2016 collection. I'll show you the mystery in photos:

View attachment 3793474 View attachment 3793471 View attachment 3793470 So these are on blog / asian sites

and this is bag that was ordered for me with the same style number in the USA: View attachment 3793469 View attachment 3793473the picture quality isn't great of these because it makes the bag look 'worse' but it's actually remarkably similar irl because the differences aren't apparent at first glance.
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Interesting, I wonder if the one in the 5th picture here is the same style? Hard to tell since the strap is tucked inside. This was taken by one of our regular posters at the Aurora, Illinois Factory Outlet. I can understand it if the snakeskin patterns are all different:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/outlet-spy-pics.960394/page-18#post-31590207

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Hyacinth said:
Interesting, I wonder if the one in the 5th picture here is the same style? Hard to tell since the strap is tucked inside. This was taken by one of our regular posters at the Aurora, Illinois Factory Outlet:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/outlet-spy-pics.960394/page-18#post-31590207

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Yeah that's the one that eventually made it to the outlets even though JAX said it was limited and sold out (lady at outlets was able to find it using the same style number + F).
 
#24,276
okdot said:
I have a weird question, and I thought the people who are most likely to know would be the authenticators since you guys spend a lot of time looking at different Coach bags. Here goes

Are there ever different versions of 1941 bags? I got one from last year at the outlet and the style number shows a very very similar bag but slightly different (it's a patchwork and the texture of the blue patches is smooth on mine but pebbled on the Malaysian coach site and the embroidery of some of the patches is also different.) I know it's not a fake because I found pictures of one exactly like mine that were carried by celebrities and a listing on Nordstrom from last year. I'm just so curious why there are two versions with the same style number! I thought maybe they made a runway version and used the photo on the website and then ended up changing some details for the retail stores but I saw pictures from retail stores that match the pictures on the site. :eek:anyone have any ideas? I just gotta know haha
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Hyacinth said:
Coach often changes details during production, and they've always done so. There are a lot of styles especially from a few years ago where their early production and website photos don't match the final versions. The only way to be sure is to authenticate it. But the problem we have here is that it's harder for us here in the USA to authenticate bags made for the Asian market if we don't have photos of actual examples known to have been bought directly from Coach, because Coach has made slightly different versions and different color combinations of the same style for different markets and different retail partners like department stores. It's always frustrating for us Yanks to look at the different international Coach sites, especially Japan and China, and see styles we can't even buy in the US. :crybaby:

Another thing to keep in mind especially in bags made for Asian markets is what kind of leather is used. For instance a patchwork bag made for the US and Europe might have one or two pigskin patches, but countries with a large Muslim population would never receive those, the patches would be changed for those markets or the style would not even be available. There was a vintage line of bags in the 1990s that came standard with pigskin trim and Coach actually made many of that line's styles in a no-pigskin version by special order.
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Another issue separate from different styles for the international market has come up concerning some of the 1941 collection bags.

And we have Coach to thank (or more likely curse) for this.

Bags of the same style (style number) can differ depending on when and where made.

I'd discussed this earlier (and would have to hunt for my post to find where I commented) but there are cases where some OTHERWISE IDENTICAL bags OF THE SAME STYLE are different from each other.
  • some have creeds with a serial number consisting of a meaningless serial number with a prefix that is an abbreviation of the style name, i.e., SD = saddle, DK = dinky, etc. and a suffix with 2xxxx number that means absolutely nothing.
  • AFAIK, there's no way to discern the style number unless the original price tag is saved
  • some bags have creeds with nothing stamped where the serial number would be
  • bags with the ^^^above creeds have a white label hidden in a next-to-impossible to find location somewhere in the bag with production information/serial number - what would have been on the creed had it been stamped there.
  • I believe there are some bags with a combination of creeds, meaningless serial numbers and white production tags
In addition to Coach's own inconsistences and changes, there have been some very close fakes of 1941 collection and several other newer (last 5 years) styles, making authenticating them time consuming, difficult and sometimes impossible.
 
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BeenBurned said:
Another issue separate from different styles for the international market has come up concerning some of the 1941 collection bags.

And we have Coach to thank (or more likely curse) for this.

Bags of the same style (style number) can differ depending on when and where made.

I'd discussed this earlier (and would have to hunt for my post to find where I commented) but there are cases where some OTHERWISE IDENTICAL bags OF THE SAME STYLE are different from each other.
  • some have creeds with a serial number consisting of a meaningless serial number with a prefix that is an abbreviation of the style name, i.e., SD = saddle, DK = dinky, etc. and a suffix with 2xxxx number that means absolutely nothing.
  • AFAIK, there's no way to discern the style number unless the original price tag is saved
  • some bags have creeds with nothing stamped where the serial number would be
  • bags with the ^^^above creeds have a white label hidden in a next-to-impossible to find location somewhere in the bag with production information/serial number - what would have been on the creed had it been stamped there.
  • I believe there are some bags with a combination of creeds, meaningless serial numbers and white production tags
In addition to Coach's own inconsistences and changes, there have been some very close fakes of 1941 collection and several other newer (last 5 years) styles, making authenticating them time consuming, difficult and sometimes impossible.
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Wow, yea, sounds like authenticating is not for the weak of heart! There actually was an original tag and everything but it looks different from most of the pictures you get when you type in that style number. It's actually driving me a little crazy as you can see because I can't understand why and I've been playing detective for the last 2 days. If only that style number wasn't missing from the US site haha
 
#24,278
Item: Brass and Black Leather Medium Carly 10615 (released in Fall 2006)
Seller: Goodwill, $5
Comments: I think that it is genuine but I have never owned a Carly - only Zoe bags. One of the large, dog leash clips says "Malaysia" on it but the creed patch says that the bag was made in China.

Please let me know your opinion about authenticity, thank you.

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katev said:
Item: Brass and Black Leather Medium Carly 10615 (released in Fall 2006)
Seller: Goodwill, $5
Comments: I think that it is genuine but I have never owned a Carly - only Zoe bags. One of the large, dog leash clips says "Malaysia" on it but the creed patch says that the bag was made in China.

Please let me know your opinion about authenticity, thank you.

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The bag is authentic. TBH, I've never even noticed that the clips say where they're made!

Note that the second clip (not the one sewn to the strap) looks like it was added, perhaps to give the strap another couple of inches of length.
 
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Item: Frog Pendant 94469 GD GN (Released Spring/Summer 2009, $148)
Listing number: 292211555542, $60
Seller: new_coach_yes_please
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Rare-COACH-Sandy-Frog-Jewel-Crystal-Pendant-Statement-Necklace/292211555542?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Comments: I am almost certain this is genuine but it was listed as "Sandy Frog" on ebay and when I found it on the Coach Internet Wayback Machine it was listed simply as "Frog Pendant". I'd really appreciate hearing your opinion, just to make sure that it was only a listing mistake and that the item is genuine.

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katev said:
Item: Frog Pendant 94469 GD GN (Released Spring/Summer 2009, $148)
Listing number: 292211555542, $60
Seller: new_coach_yes_please
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Rare-COACH-Sandy-Frog-Jewel-Crystal-Pendant-Statement-Necklace/292211555542?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Comments: I am almost certain this is genuine but it was listed as "Sandy Frog" on ebay and when I found it on the Coach Internet Wayback Machine it was listed simply as "Frog Pendant". I'd really appreciate hearing your opinion, just to make sure that it was only a listing mistake and that the item is genuine.

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If an item isn't NWT, sellers don't always know the "official" name and try to come up with something they think is either reasonable or that will attract buyers.

And in fact, even if an item on the wayback or on the Coach website has a certain name, sometimes the tag on that item will vary slightly in name. (I'm not sure why that is but I've seen it.)

In this case, the necklace is authentic and I'm not sure what "sandy" has to do with anything!

ETA: She probably googled and this is one of the images that came up. The image isn't showing in the listing but the listing still comes up with the title:
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/EUC-COACH-S...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
 
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BeenBurned said:
If an item isn't NWT, sellers don't always know the "official" name and try to come up with something they think is either reasonable or that will attract buyers.

And in fact, even if an item on the wayback or on the Coach website has a certain name, sometimes the tag on that item will vary slightly in name. (I'm not sure why that is but I've seen it.)

In this case, the necklace is authentic and I'm not sure what "sandy" has to do with anything!

ETA: She probably googled and this is one of the images that came up. The image isn't showing in the listing but the listing still comes up with the title:
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/EUC-COACH-SANDY-FROG-NECKLACE-PENDANT-GREEN-STONE-CRYSTAL-SO-CUTE-RARE-HTF-LOOK-/371300459013?nma=true&si=HYccTfWv5OQJb%2BZqMZgbBqlf9VE%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Thank you!
 
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