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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
    Comments:

  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#19,396
NoonMoon said:
Hi- please help to authenticate two small Coach bags in my possession. Both are small "drawstring" styles, 5"diameter bottom, 6.5" tall, 6.5" wide top when drawstring is open. Long double drawstring strap with drop up to 20" . I thought they look like a Littleton bag (?) but style numbers do not match. Was there another similar style? Also, the joints on the drawstring on both bags look sloppy with uneven stitching and raw edges, i will include closeups. Each bag has it's lozenge tag, split in both cases. Thank you!
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They're BOTH fake. D6J- is never a valid serial number prefix when used in handbags. That set of codes was only used by a plant that made clothing items, never handbags. And the creed would never have been stamped on the bottom, genuine Coaches would never have had such sloppy and just plain BAD stitching, and style number 9968 belongs ONLY to a Mitchell Zip, shown below, which looks NOTHING like the bags you have. If you bought them recently, get your money back.
 

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#19,397
Thank you for your opinion.
I would like to give my position on any opinion given on this site. I do so because of a post I read elsewhere. Here is the post question :
Apr 2, 2014

katierose
I have a question for you all...
I've always wondered if you were ever sued, or threatened with a law suit, when a seller got angry with you for posting that their item was a fake? I know some of those ebay sellers can get vicious when things don't go their way. Thanks

For me, if some one I asked for an opinion identified something I bought as fake, I would find another reason to return the item if I could or state to the seller that I am not comfortable with the purchase because I think ........, whatever seller says about it.
I will not get into argument about a purchase If I am not comfortable with it for whatever reason If I am able to return it.
I would not accuse anyone of selling a fake. It is merely opinion on this site (but to me trustworthy). I do not want to get into any liability issues and do not think it is fair to do so to anyone here. I would swallow my mistake on my own if I could not return it, it is and always was MY issue, despite any 3rd party opinions.
When I ask for an opinion on authenticity of a listing on eBay or somewhere else, it is also just an opinion. It's my business alone what decision I make with any information I get anywhere. It's no seller's business where I find info.
I think this should be everyone's agreement using this site.
Just wanted to clarify. I appreciate using this site as a resource for information, among others.
 
#19,398
likecoach said:
Thank you for your opinion.
I would like to give my position on any opinion given on this site. I do so because of a post I read elsewhere. Here is the post question :
Apr 2, 2014

katierose
I have a question for you all...
I've always wondered if you were ever sued, or threatened with a law suit, when a seller got angry with you for posting that their item was a fake? I know some of those ebay sellers can get vicious when things don't go their way. Thanks

For me, if some one I asked for an opinion identified something I bought as fake, I would find another reason to return the item if I could or state to the seller that I am not comfortable with the purchase because I think ........, whatever seller says about it.
I will not get into argument about a purchase If I am not comfortable with it for whatever reason If I am able to return it.
I would not accuse anyone of selling a fake. It is merely opinion on this site (but to me trustworthy). I do not want to get into any liability issues and do not think it is fair to do so to anyone here. I would swallow my mistake on my own if I could not return it, it is and always was MY issue, despite any 3rd party opinions.
When I ask for an opinion on authenticity of a listing on eBay or somewhere else, it is also just an opinion. It's my business alone what decision I make with any information I get anywhere. It's no seller's business where I find info.
I think this should be everyone's agreement using this site.
Just wanted to clarify. I appreciate using this site as a resource for information, among others.
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I'm having problems understanding exactly what you're saying or asking. How about clarifying? We make very clear that our opinions are just that - OPINIONS. So I'm not sure what you're criticising? If you don't like or agree with our opinions, you're welcome to ignore them. If you disagree with them and want to post WHY, I suggest that you make sure of your facts before you do so.

If you have a complaint about something we've authenticated, post your reasons and your proofs.

If you want to add your opinions about authenticity of a Coach item, sorry. When you have a minimum of 500 posts that show you have enough knowledge to be recommended as a qualified authenticator, you can ask. But until then, only long-time members with a proven track record and who are approved as such by the forums' management are allowed to post authentication opinions.

And if you think the TOS of the site should be changed to your preferences, I'm sure that Management would like to hear your opinions.
 
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#19,399
NoonMoon said:
Hi- please help to authenticate two small Coach bags in my possession. Both are small "drawstring" styles, 5"diameter bottom, 6.5" tall, 6.5" wide top when drawstring is open. Long double drawstring strap with drop up to 20" . I thought they look like a Littleton bag (?) but style numbers do not match. Was there another similar style? Also, the joints on the drawstring on both bags look sloppy with uneven stitching and raw edges, i will include closeups. Each bag has it's lozenge tag, split in both cases. Thank you!
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Hyacinth said:
They're BOTH fake. D6J- is never a valid serial number prefix when used in handbags. That set of codes was only used by a plant that made clothing items, never handbags. And the creed would never have been stamped on the bottom, genuine Coaches would never have had such sloppy and just plain BAD stitching, and style number 9968 belongs ONLY to a Mitchell Zip, shown below, which looks NOTHING like the bags you have. If you bought them recently, get your money back.
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Thank you Hyacinth!! i had no idea where creed should be but had a bad feeling about both.... i got them not too long ago, will try to work on getting money back.
 
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There is similar bag new with tag,on eBay (recently ended) with the creed also on the bottom (albeit with more credible numbers), what about that one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-No-4144-Red-Leather-Littleton-Drawstring-New-with-Tags-Spring-1995-/172438380121?hash=item282620de59:g:1y0AAOSw-kdX011H&nma=true&si=N9IP1SdPrke1xuXksjZtxoKRQgk%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Seller information
pollizettiarocks (588 )
ebay item number 172438380121
Coach No.4144 Red Leather Littleton Drawstring New with Tags.Spring 1995.
 
#19,401
I just thought I would state what my whole take was after I read an involved thread starting with that question I posted. I was worried someone might take my post wrong if I stated it, but as a newbie I wanted to say it would never occur to me to use any opinion here to create any kind of mess with any ebay seller. I think I got upset with that thread. I appreciate opinions and info on this site..
It was supposed to be a positive post.
 
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#19,402
I absolutely have NO issue or criticism and am thrilled with any opinion. I appreciate all that has been posted with my questions and any authentication.
I think I stepped in it by posting my take on that silly thread and wanted any one here to know what a newbie thought about any of that.
 
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#19,403
NoonMoon said:
There is similar bag new with tag,on eBay (recently ended) with the creed also on the bottom (albeit with more credible numbers), what about that one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-No-4144-Red-Leather-Littleton-Drawstring-New-with-Tags-Spring-1995-/172438380121?hash=item282620de59:g:1y0AAOSw-kdX011H&nma=true&si=N9IP1SdPrke1xuXksjZtxoKRQgk%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Seller information
pollizettiarocks (588 )
ebay item number 172438380121
Coach No.4144 Red Leather Littleton Drawstring New with Tags.Spring 1995.
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First time I've seen the bottom of a genuine Littleton. That one's OK. It also has the correct measurements especially for the strap
 
#19,404
likecoach said:
I just thought I would state what my whole take was after I read an involved thread starting with that question I posted. I was worried someone might take my post wrong if I stated it, but as a newbie I wanted to say it would never occur to me to use any opinion here to create any kind of mess with any ebay seller. I think I got upset with that thread. I appreciate opinions and info on this site..
It was supposed to be a positive post.
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But the post was over 2 years old, and re-opening old discussions accomplishes nothing. When a subject runs its course it's best - and strongly encouraged by both management and posters - to just let it go dormant. If it had been posted as a separate, individual thread you probably would have seen a popup saying something like "this is an old inactive post, do you really want to re-open it?" and you would have had to click a "yes" button to add to it. I appreciate your explanation though.
 
#19,406
likecoach said:
Can we just delete it all? Boy, I'd sure like to.
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You have to ask the Mod in charge of this particular forum to have something deleted. But I don't think it's something you need to worry about, we go off on tangents often - in a few days it will just be another bit of ancient history. Just think of it as a rookie mistake, and believe me, we've all made them. This place can be cofusing as he!! until you figure out how everything works.

Anyway, most of our members are probably watching the Golden Globes Red Carpet show and trying to decide who's wearing the ugliest dress. That's the only "what was she THINKING?" that they're probably concerned with right now. :biggrin:
 
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#19,407
likecoach said:
Thank you for your opinion.
I would like to give my position on any opinion given on this site. I do so because of a post I read elsewhere. Here is the post question :
Apr 2, 2014

katierose
I have a question for you all...
I've always wondered if you were ever sued, or threatened with a law suit, when a seller got angry with you for posting that their item was a fake? I know some of those ebay sellers can get vicious when things don't go their way. Thanks

For me, if some one I asked for an opinion identified something I bought as fake, I would find another reason to return the item if I could or state to the seller that I am not comfortable with the purchase because I think ........, whatever seller says about it.
I will not get into argument about a purchase If I am not comfortable with it for whatever reason If I am able to return it.
I would not accuse anyone of selling a fake. It is merely opinion on this site (but to me trustworthy). I do not want to get into any liability issues and do not think it is fair to do so to anyone here. I would swallow my mistake on my own if I could not return it, it is and always was MY issue, despite any 3rd party opinions.
When I ask for an opinion on authenticity of a listing on eBay or somewhere else, it is also just an opinion. It's my business alone what decision I make with any information I get anywhere. It's no seller's business where I find info.
I think this should be everyone's agreement using this site.
Just wanted to clarify. I appreciate using this site as a resource for information, among others.
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It's your decision if you don't want to make waves with a seller. We give our opinion and it is up to you to decide what to do with that information. For me, as a buyer, I don't think it is fair for me to be stuck with the cost since the seller was breaking the law by selling fakes. We recommend that everyone get items authenticated before they buy; that way they can just walk away instead of having to get the seller to take a return.
Hyacinth said:
First time I've seen the bottom of a genuine Littleton. That one's OK. It also has the correct measurements especially for the strap
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I was going to mention that I'd seen a creed in the bottom of a Littleton.
 
#19,408
NoonMoon said:
Thank you Hyacinth!! i had no idea where creed should be but had a bad feeling about both.... i got them not too long ago, will try to work on getting money back.
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If you used paypal to pay for your purchases and if it's too late to open SNAD disputes through ebay, Paypal allows disputes for 180 days!

likecoach said:
I absolutely have NO issue or criticism and am thrilled with any opinion. I appreciate all that has been posted with my questions and any authentication.
I think I stepped in it by posting my take on that silly thread and wanted any one here to know what a newbie thought about any of that.
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I know this subject is getting tired but I just want to clarify use of "opinion" when it relates to an authenticity questions.

Although Webster defines "opinion" as subjective and without a "right" or "wrong" answer, the use of opinion here on TPF has a different meaning when it comes to an authentication. TPTB of TPF have (probably) been advised that for legal reasons, authentications posted on these boards are considered to be "opinions" as opposed to "facts" for a couple of reasons.
  1. No company including Ebay, Paypal, credit card companies nor any other company will (generally) accept online authentications in cases of disputes. Since anyone can claim to be expert on any one of many "authentication sites," companies handling disputes want to be sure they're trusting someone who knows what they're talking about. They don't know which websites vet their authenticators and which ones don't.
  2. Authenticators on TPF are willingly and generously volunteering their time and expertise in sharing their knowledge in the hopes that buyers won't be scammed into buying a fake as well as helping sellers who are responsible enough to verify their items as genuine before listing them. But because our services here aren't in a professional capacity, i.e., we aren't paid nor do we receive any other compensation from TPF, so in order to not mislead buyers into believing that they can "take our authentication to the bank," the information is considered opinion.
  3. That said, the "opinions" are accurate and dependable. TPF is a site that does its best to make sure that those who are authenticating have a proven knowledge of the brand. And if there's a difference of opinion or if an item can't be authenticated, we speak up. If one of the trusted authenticators says an item is fake, it IS fake. If we say it's authentic, it IS authentic. But there are cases where pictures and/or details are inconclusive and authenticity can't be determined with 100% certainty.
I just wanted to clarify that just because you get an "opinion" here, it doesn't mean you can't trust it to be accurate.

Addendum: If a seller's listing is questioned here and is deemed fake, there's no legal basis for a lawsuit against the authenticator. Sellers are required by US trademark law to know items are authentic before listing. If that seller didn't verify authenticity and got caught, that's not the authenticator's fault. And it's certainly not libelous to say "so-and-so's listing is a fake" if that statement is accurate.
 
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#19,409
I gambled on this Winnie - am I 21 or bust? Thank you [emoji846]

Item: Winnie
Seller: bought locally off Offerup app (in my possession)
Comments: strap not original (will compare to my Casino strap!)

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