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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#17,836
rkiz said:
Just a random thought/question... bags with the target stamp on the creed, are those ever faked? I can't imagine a counterfeiter would bother with a fake target. Can I assume a bag with one of those is probably ok?
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We have seen an occasional fake outlet bullet stamp. I'll look to see if I have a picture saved.
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#17,841
Canter said:
Could you please authenticate this listing? I was reading a salearea guide advising to be wary of "stretch marks" on a bag in odd areas. I think this bag is beautiful, but in the photo that shows the creed, are those unusual stretch marks?

Item: 282210331822
Seller: wsemsen
Link: http://m.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Tan-Ladies-HandBag-British-Tan-Large-/282210331822?nav=SEARCH
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Authentic. That isn't what we refer to as the bad stretch marks. Those are natural markings. Coach often chose the nicest pieces for the fronts of the bags, using the less desirable pieces for pockets and backs. The bad leather we refer to as elephant skin is pretty obvious as low quality leather.
 
#17,843
rkiz said:
And in the same vein, how about the FS stamp?
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This might be a fake FS stamp, all the other ones I've seen have been stamped with white ink, not embossed into the leather, and there are several things wrong with the rest of the bag too including a J plant code for a USA plant.
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Keep something in mind - a fake can have a genuine outlet stamp that was actually stamped BY THE OUTLET. Fakes can be "returned" to an outlet or even a FP store without a receipt, or could in the past, and if the SA or manager didn't spot it as fake it would be stamped and put into stock at the outlet. Just because a bag has an outlet stamp doesn't mean the purse is genuine. And up until recently, fakes makers didn't even know what an outlet stamp was or what it meant.

Don't depend on stamps, and DON'T try to self-authenticate.
 
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whateve said:
Authentic. That isn't what we refer to as the bad stretch marks. Those are natural markings. Coach often chose the nicest pieces for the fronts of the bags, using the less desirable pieces for pockets and backs. The bad leather we refer to as elephant skin is pretty obvious as low quality leather.
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Thanks, Whateve! So I'll know it if I see it - it won't be questionable.
 
#17,845
Canter said:
Could you please authenticate this listing? I was reading a salearea guide advising to be wary of "stretch marks" on a bag in odd areas. I think this bag is beautiful, but in the photo that shows the creed, are those unusual stretch marks?

Item: 282210331822
Seller: wsemsen
Link: http://m.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Tan-Ladies-HandBag-British-Tan-Large-/282210331822?nav=SEARCH
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Canter said:
Thanks, Whateve! So I'll know it if I see it - it won't be questionable.
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I've posted a few photos over the years showing what I mean by stretch marks or elephant skin. Here's a really good example that also has a fake cellphone holder AND an always-fake serial number, along with other red flags. Notice that the stretch marks are in a lot of places on the bag where the leather should never be stretched or stressed. I believe they're a sign of overprocessing and overstretching the leather to soften it. Answers to Authenticity Questions, June 11, 2009, post 350:
http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/answers-to-authenticity-questions.94198/page-24#post-11325993
 
#17,848
Hyacinth said:
I've posted a few photos over the years showing what I mean by stretch marks or elephant skin. Here's a really good example that also has a fake cellphone holder AND an always-fake serial number, along with other red flags. Notice that the stretch marks are in a lot of places on the bag where the leather should never be stretched or stressed. I believe they're a sign of overprocessing and overstretching the leather to soften it. Answers to Authenticity Questions, June 11, 2009, post 350:
http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/answers-to-authenticity-questions.94198/page-24#post-11325993
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Thank you for the link to the thread and the photos! Now I get it!
 
#17,850
BeenBurned said:
I can't say I've ever seen a fake FS stamp but that one seems like it would be easy enough to copy so I wouldn't discount the counterfeiters copying it.
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Hyacinth said:
This might be a fake FS stamp, all the other ones I've seen have been stamped with white ink, not embossed into the leather, and there are several things wrong with the rest of the bag too including a J plant code for a USA plant.
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Keep something in mind - a fake can have a genuine outlet stamp that was actually stamped BY THE OUTLET. Fakes can be "returned" to an outlet or even a FP store without a receipt, or could in the past, and if the SA or manager didn't spot it as fake it would be stamped and put into stock at the outlet. Just because a bag has an outlet stamp doesn't mean the purse is genuine. And up until recently, fakes makers didn't even know what an outlet stamp was or what it meant.

Don't depend on stamps, and DON'T try to self-authenticate.
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Thank you both. Very good point about returned bags, I never even thought of that! So glad I asked, I might have just assumed if a bag had a stamp like that it would be ok. Guess not! Thank you ladies for your input, I really do appreciate the helpfulness here :)
 
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