Are There Any Handbags NOT Made In China?

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No Vuitton finished "products" were made in India. It was components at the Pondicherry facility.

From the luxpresso.com article:
"LADP has two plants—one in Kurumbapet here and the other in Perambai in Tamil Nadu—to manufacture leather components for Louis Vuitton products."
 
The legal need for the tag is country of manufacture, not whether the components are imported. The tag is a "manufactured in" tag.

Yes, but wiggle room and all, where is the Vuitton bag factory in China?

When someone can walk through the entire production process and show an LV bag to have been fully made in Asia--which is the steady implication of all these outsourcing comments--that will be news.
 
No Vuitton finished "products" were made in India. It was components at the Pondicherry facility.

From the luxpresso.com article:
"LADP has two plants—one in Kurumbapet here and the other in Perambai in Tamil Nadu—to manufacture leather components for Louis Vuitton products."

They can manufacture 60%-95% or more of our bags and it is in full compliance with the "Made in the USA of imported materials" tag.
 
Yes, but wiggle room and all, where is the Vuitton bag factory in China?

When someone can walk through the entire production process and show an LV bag to have been fully made in Asia--which is the steady implication of all these outsourcing comments--that will be news.

Yep - Louis Vuitton is going to put that on You Tube." Ha ha! This is common knowledge. Even Prada tries to hide their outsourcing by putting their made in China labels deep in their linings.

I do however understand your need to really believe the bags are made in the USA, Spain and France. I wish they were too. I've been buying LV since the mid-1970s. I've seen a dreadfull decrease in quality. It's horrible really. It's still my favorite brand. I just hope it doesn't get worse.
 
Yes, but wiggle room and all, where is the Vuitton bag factory in China?

When someone can walk through the entire production process and show an LV bag to have been fully made in Asia--which is the steady implication of all these outsourcing comments--that will be news.

I think you may be missing the forest for the trees. The point is that in order to require the tags, over 60% of the bag must be manufactured elsewhere. It can be much higher. Of course they are putting finishing touches on here. They cannot risk not being able to use the tag. Their stock would plummet, as would the value of their LV goods. They are banking on people thinking - oh it's just "components." Components can mean anything up to an including a slightly unfinished bag.
 
I do however understand your need to really believe the bags are made in the USA, Spain and France. I wish they were too. I've been buying LV since the mid-1970s. I've seen a dreadfull decrease in quality. It's horrible really. It's still my favorite brand. I just hope it doesn't get worse.

I have no need to believe anything in particular except the truth. And given how proprietary information is, we consumers will know only what the law absolutely mandates we can know, plus whatever credible journalism can uncover.

Quality decline is not the same as the outsourcing situation, although it can look that way. They can go together or not go together: that is the company's responsibility.
 
I have no need to believe anything in particular except the truth. And given how proprietary information is, we consumers will know only what the law absolutely mandates we can know, plus whatever credible journalism can uncover.

Quality decline is not the same as the outsourcing situation, although it can look that way. They can go together or not go together: that is the company's responsibility.

That is correct. So at present, all we know for sure is that at least 60% of each our bags bought in the US are manufactured elsewhere/outsourced, and probably the percentage is higher of each bag - but there is no way to know for sure unless LV decides to be upfront, which isn't going to happen. This is why the new bags no longer have "manufactured in" heatstamps. They don't want us to know, or there would be transparency.

I will say although I saw a decline in quality after the takeover by LVMH, the sharpest decline I have seen in quality (and which mirrors what the SAs have seen and talked about) directly coincides with the newer tags. If you even do a little research on this small forum, the number of complaints has dramatically increased since the year prior and since. (It took out government a while to crack down - bureaucratic red tape and all that).

And no - I'm not a journalist, nor do I proclaim to be. I didn't really understand much about the outsourcing until my friend who is an SA and I were talking over dinner.

I'd love it if someone did a really in-depth expose. Perhaps we would get the old quality back.

I'm very happy I have a daughter living in Australia, so I am still able to purchase bags without the cloth tag, but I imagine there will come a time when I will, simply for expediency.
 
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This was one article from back even in 2007 - showing at the very least they were using a handbag company to partner with in India (this is a company which makes handbags). Again - I have no way of knowing how much of the bags they made until LV sold the company, nor do I know how many other companies they also use.

http://www.luxurylaunches.com/fashion/louis_vuitton_soon_to_get_made_in_india_tag.php

And some other articles (I can't remember which ones I already posted, but in case links are dead):

http://articles.economictimes.india...397_1_hidesign-pondicherry-manufacturing-base

http://in.reuters.com/article/2007/09/19/idINIndia-29614620070919

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/aee58d32-6649-11dc-9fbb-0000779fd2ac.html#axzz2Hxr5B9kk

And some of our repairs are done in Romania - per attached LVMH Employee resume:

http://fr.linkedin.com/in/sebastienlavigne

This is another resume - she worked for LV - on external production sites in Romania, among others. Her job also included
"Secure the production and the quality of Italians, Spanish and Asiatic subcontractors."
http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/catherine-fraisse/a/282/a19
 
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It's quite a headache, isn't it?:smile1:

I do think we're on our own as consumers, more than many of us would prefer. I just had this conversation with a friend about the complete opacity of the conditions of production, even if you know the locale.
 
It's quite a headache, isn't it?:smile1:

I do think we're on our own as consumers, more than many of us would prefer. I just had this conversation with a friend about the complete opacity of the conditions of production, even if you know the locale.

I know - I completely agree!~

I'll still buy LV - still love them, but I will say I am much more apt to really really inspect what I buy than I was before.
 
For any Vuitton bag in question, better go directly to Louis Vuitton and ask. The bag would specifically list the country of origin.
There was talk of opening a factory in India and was slated only to manufacture shoes if it ever did open up.
Many luxury companies that never imagine working with the orient are seriously considering India, Pakistan and Indonesia apart from China. Lets wait and see.
 
Yes, but wiggle room and all, where is the Vuitton bag factory in China?

I found one of the articles that mentioned several from one of my prior posts:

This article is from 2 YEARS ago. Louis Vuitton started building their factory in China in 2007.

Luxury Clothing Brands Cover Up Outsourcing Production to China

22/08/2010 18:25:00 Kanzhongguo staff
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World-class brand Prada recently upped its share price in an effort to block a Chinese business tycoon from becoming its largest shareholder, according to a report published in China’s state-run Economic Observer newspaper.

Lu Qiang, the chairman of Shanghai-based garment factory Foxtown, told the newspaper,"(Prada thought) handing over the company to the Chinese would hurt the quality and taste."

However, many luxury brand companies, including Prada, have contract manufacturers (CM) in China bound to secrecy by a non-disclosure agreement.

Many luxury brands have CMs all over the world, but avoid disclosing anything about their overseas manufacturers, and are especially prudent in selecting manufacturing locations because of concerns over consumer confidence, industry insiders say. Nevertheless, the low-cost labor and transportation in developing countries is still an irresistible temptation. After weighing the pros and cons, many luxury brands still chose to outsource their production abroad and seal off the information by signing non-disclosure agreements with their CMs.

Many Asian countries, like China, Vietnam, and Malaysia, became the first choice for outsourcing for many luxury brands. In southern China especially, CMs for luxury products have become common, but they kept very low profile to escape public attention.

A source inside the industry says many world-class luxury brands have long since set up production lines in China. Louis Vuitton started building a manufacturing base in Hangzhou, Zhejiang Province, in early 2007; Zhejiang Sun Hong Garment Co. has been making some of Giorgio Armani’s product lines; and one of China’s largest garment companies, Jiangsu Sunshine Group, is the secret manufacturer for Hugo Boss.

Manufacturing outsourcing in China can be divided into two categories: finished product outsourcing and process outsourcing. Authorized manufacturers in China must sign non-disclosure agreements with the big brands, but as part of their branding strategy the luxury brands never sell their Chinese-made products in China.

Wealthy consumers often pursue those luxury products simply because of their brand names and high prices. To protect their status among the elite, many luxury brand companies with CMs in remote locations in Asia try to cover up that they make their products overseas.

Factories in almost all developing Asian countries are now taking orders from luxury fashion companies. Outsourcing to make a garment, however, is not that simple. Different parts of the garment will be outsourced to different countries. Then all components of the garment are shipped to somewhere, like Hong Kong, to get assembled. Then the finished garment is shipped to those places boasting fashion, like Italy, France or Spain. For the CMs themselves, working for the luxury brands can be strenuous, because of the stringent quality inspection demanded by the luxury companies.
 
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