Lab grown diamond is not anything fake/counterfeit....as simple as that!
Are lab diamonds the equivalent of handbag Superfakes?
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I can see the point in this comparison.
Both super fakes and lab grown diamonds are wannabes and have no real value.
Both super fakes and lab grown diamonds are wannabes and have no real value.
The ability to copy is how the human species have evolved to become the top of the food chain.
Copy and improve to be more efficient.
Copy "rights" is a very recent phenomena and except for brand, very hard to enforce.
Is desalinised water 'fake water'?
Is lab-grown beef 'fake beef'?
They are the future if humans are to survive.
Copy and improve to be more efficient.
Copy "rights" is a very recent phenomena and except for brand, very hard to enforce.
Is desalinised water 'fake water'?
Is lab-grown beef 'fake beef'?
They are the future if humans are to survive.
Is a child borne out of IVF a super fake child?
Some people even think that cesarean is not a 'real' birth - inferior child birth experience.
Good thing what's real and what's not is in the eye of the beholder, eh?
Some people even think that cesarean is not a 'real' birth - inferior child birth experience.
Good thing what's real and what's not is in the eye of the beholder, eh?
Value is what a market assigns to a thing, not an intrinsic property. In 1635 a single tulip bulb was valued higher than a waterfront mansion in the richest European capital. Tulips are great, but their value clearly was calculated according to cultural standards in a time and place. Such things are subject to change.
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evolution is not copying, in layman’s terms, it is getting rid of traits that don’t survive and keeping traits that do to make a stronger species; survival of the fittest. This is not the same as creating diamonds or other such things in a lab. Lab diamonds have not evolved naturally they have been created by man.
I would argue that desalinised water and fake beef cannot be compared to the “lab diamond argument” because these two things are not the same chemical make up as the original (i.e. water and beef). Lab diamonds are the same chemical makeup as natural diamonds.
As for IVF again apples to oranges because the sperm and egg are not man made, man has just stepped in and helped nudge mother nature along. Probably a good thing, cause with all the crap in the food and water that disrupts hormone who knows what would happen to the human race.
Very insightful!
Of course things are subject to change. As we discussed in the Zombie apocalypse bag choice, nobody would grab their Himalayan Birkins with or without diamonds if they had to run away from zombies. Clearly different cultural standards lol
But if we ignore the possibilities of zombie apocalypse and just assume regular life I would say that value of a lab grown diamond would drop significantly. In 10 years it’d cost nothing.
Also a super fake Birkin would also cost nothing in 10 years. In contrast to real diamonds and a real Birkin.
But real diamonds (also known as diamonds) and real Birkins (also known as Birkins) aren't investments, they're stuff. They aren't subject to the same kinds of methodological prediction as funds, stocks, bonds, commodities. They purely have the value assigned to them in the cultural moments we know about. Just like lab diamonds.
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I haven’t commented on this thread so far but I think this crosses a line (I understand that it was likely not intended to offend). In no universe are lab diamonds even comparable to children born from IVF or a birth choice that is normally made from necessity (otherwise the mother and/or baby may die). Sorry but this has hit really close to home as the mother of a darling girl born from IVF and who needed to have a c-section to ensure the safe delivery of my child.
I think this thread, whilst containing some interesting discussion, is moving in a direction which is likely to offend quite a few people.
I’m not a fan of lab diamonds myself but appreciate that they are available at a price point which is more accessible than the mined equivalent and therefore I cannot get upset about them. Each to their own.
I’m not a fan of lab diamonds myself but appreciate that they are available at a price point which is more accessible than the mined equivalent and therefore I cannot get upset about them. Each to their own.
Who cares? Buy what you like, leave what you don't!
it's also probably worth noting that Birkins hold their value way more than mined diamonds, which do not hold much value at all. The handbag market has completely outpeformed stocks and diamonds for years now.
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Both natural diamonds and lab diamonds have been dropping in price recently. The last time I was at my jeweler, we were talking about lab vs. natural and he'd mentioned natural diamonds were down in price about 25% to try to be more competitive with labs.
I get the feeling this will only continue. Natural diamonds were held up by a monopoly and people just don't seem to willing to pay for it anymore. I think it's less about people creating an illusion of wealth and more that diamonds no longer have the same value to them. Decent-sized lab stones are less than a tenth the price of natural. Even if the lab stone is worth nothing later on, they can put what they didn't spend towards things that will bring value to their lives, like a home, as opposed to a natural diamond where they'd lose 50-75% selling it, even before the popularity of labs.
It's a paradigm shift though. There was a band I'd wanted from Jean Dousset when he offered natural diamonds that's still offered in lab, but I have zero intention of buying now. Value-wise, I'd probably only recover the weight of gold if I were to resell it, so the diamonds' origin is inconsequential monetarily (beyond that the purchase-price is lower). Internally, I'm thinking, "it's the same thing! It's the exact same thing!" I recognize it's completely irrational, yet here I am. Labs are still hard for me to accept even if I'm not opposed to them.
I get the feeling this will only continue. Natural diamonds were held up by a monopoly and people just don't seem to willing to pay for it anymore. I think it's less about people creating an illusion of wealth and more that diamonds no longer have the same value to them. Decent-sized lab stones are less than a tenth the price of natural. Even if the lab stone is worth nothing later on, they can put what they didn't spend towards things that will bring value to their lives, like a home, as opposed to a natural diamond where they'd lose 50-75% selling it, even before the popularity of labs.
It's a paradigm shift though. There was a band I'd wanted from Jean Dousset when he offered natural diamonds that's still offered in lab, but I have zero intention of buying now. Value-wise, I'd probably only recover the weight of gold if I were to resell it, so the diamonds' origin is inconsequential monetarily (beyond that the purchase-price is lower). Internally, I'm thinking, "it's the same thing! It's the exact same thing!" I recognize it's completely irrational, yet here I am. Labs are still hard for me to accept even if I'm not opposed to them.
IMO handbag superfake ≠ lab diamonds.
Why?
Because fake bags are made by criminals. They're made in sweatshops and the criminals don't usually care for the impact on nature their operation has either.
People mining for diamonds are basically working in the same conditions and nature is harmed in a big way. Wars are funded with blood diamonds.
The tax on nature and people is high on both.
I'd prefer a lab diamond over a mined one any time - although moissanite would be my choice over lab diamond as lab diamonds use diamond dust as an ingredient and the ethical sourcing of it was at least 10 yrs ago not something labs were open about. I tried to research but resellers coulnd't get answers from suppliers.
Just my 2 cents on the subject.
Why?
Because fake bags are made by criminals. They're made in sweatshops and the criminals don't usually care for the impact on nature their operation has either.
People mining for diamonds are basically working in the same conditions and nature is harmed in a big way. Wars are funded with blood diamonds.
The tax on nature and people is high on both.
I'd prefer a lab diamond over a mined one any time - although moissanite would be my choice over lab diamond as lab diamonds use diamond dust as an ingredient and the ethical sourcing of it was at least 10 yrs ago not something labs were open about. I tried to research but resellers coulnd't get answers from suppliers.
Just my 2 cents on the subject.
Of course it’s just stuff. Some is more expensive stuff some are less. Birkins are more expensive than Michael Kors and diamonds are more expensive than Swarovski.
We are talking about this current cultural moment. Not discussing cultural moments of 200 years ago or in future.