Thanks, finn. I don't think your scarves are tied messy at all, plus I love that casual, carefree, just tossed it on look (like shopmom does so well). I'm so um, er, uh, . . . uptight that I am never able to achieve that look. I promise that when you've been wearing scarves as long as I have (I got my first Hermes scarf more than 20 years ago), you'll have neat tying down to a fine art.