Thanks. I agree about Ferreti.
I used to live Versace Collection as it wasn't as expensive as the mainline but still had everything the mainline had lol.
Where would you put Vivienne Westwood also? Premier or contemporary?
Which of these would you consider designer?
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Thanks. I agree about Ferreti.
I used to live Versace Collection as it wasn't as expensive as the mainline but still had everything the mainline had lol.
Where would you put Vivienne Westwood also? Premier or contemporary?
Back in the day, it was his full name, Gianni Versace....anything vintage 'Gianni Versace' is collectable. Today, it's plain 'Versace'. Vivienne Westwood also has 2 lines doesn't she? Personally I would say leaning more premier than not. 20+ years ago I was really into Betsey Johnson and thought of her as 'designer'...not so much nowadays.
Westwood has 4 lines actually. Her top one is called Andreas Kronthaler now, but used to be Gold label.Back in the day, it was his full name, Gianni Versace....anything vintage 'Gianni Versace' is collectable. Today, it's plain 'Versace'. Vivienne Westwood also has 2 lines doesn't she? Personally I would say leaning more premier than not. 20+ years ago I was really into Betsey Johnson and thought of her as 'designer'...not so much nowadays.
Back in the day, it was his full name, Gianni Versace....anything vintage 'Gianni Versace' is collectable. Today, it's plain 'Versace'. Vivienne Westwood also has 2 lines doesn't she? Personally I would say leaning more premier than not. 20+ years ago I was really into Betsey Johnson and thought of her as 'designer'...not so much nowadays.
This conversation, and particularly this response, is so interesting to me. I just recently ran into a bag and the label says "Gianni Versace Couture." It's vintage. It's cute. It's not exactly my style, but it could grow on me. I'm chewing on if I should nab it for $350. I, too, was wondering about the status of this label.
I know, I know, get it if it makes my heart sing and all, but from a collectibility point of view, I wanted to know more about this particular Versace label.
Maybe I should mention that it's crocodile.
So, it has a tiny gold Medusa on the front and now I cannot stop myself from singing the song Funky Cold Medina with the words Tiny Gold Medusa.
So, it has a tiny gold Medusa on the front and now I cannot stop myself from singing the song Funky Cold Medina with the words Tiny Gold Medusa.
Do you happen to have a picture of this vintage Versace? I'm intrigued!!Maybe I should mention that it's crocodile.
So, it has a tiny gold Medusa on the front and now I cannot stop myself from singing the song Funky Cold Medina with the words Tiny Gold Medusa.
Your question is dependent on your definition of designer. If you only have two categorizations - judged by the average person: designer or non-designer, then the brands will loosely classify as designer.
In terms of PF standards / luxury circles, none of them classify as "designer".
In the perspective of the super rich, none of the brands listed on this forum would be classified as "designer".
So... it depends on who you ask.
In terms of PF standards / luxury circles, none of them classify as "designer".
In the perspective of the super rich, none of the brands listed on this forum would be classified as "designer".
So... it depends on who you ask.
"In general, the contemporary price point is significantly lower than a luxury brand price point. This doesn't, however, mean that contemporary brands are too terribly affordable for the average gal. Contemporary pieces run, on average, somewhere between $150 to $800 depending on the item. While these prices are still high, they're much less expensive than luxury brands, which can run upwards of $4000 to $5000 depending on the product."
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UHNW individuals usually don’t care about designer or not designer; it’s more about appropriate, well fitting, and ease of shopping. Most will wear what their stylists picks, invest in bespoke pieces or find a style that works for them and stick with it.
Daphne Guinness and her ilk, by contrast, consider something designer if they know the designer. These unique (often couture) pieces may have a price tag roughly approximating the cost of a house, but they will be worth it to the buyer. It’s supporting art, employing artists and helping a friend showcase their work.
The phrase 'designer' is an adjective but also a job description. As someone else pointed out if it had the head/chief designer/CD in the title of the brand it's considered designer, even if it's a diffusion/younger/sports line. That's the business definition and that's why you'll find most of these names in the designer/gold rails in T K Maxx etc.
Vivienne Westwood is a designer that no longer designs a great deal, her name, silhouette, and brand's ethos are interpreted through the seasonal collections by the current designer Andreas Kronthaler although she oversees the creative vision of the overall brand.
In the wardrobe world, Alberta Ferretti is most defiantly premier designer. She has had diffusion lines in the past (Ferretti) which was also fairly expensive. A full-length gown at Ferretti can cost around $3-8K.
The reason Ferretti is not on 'Vlad's list' is that AF is a gown specialist that does other RTW, not a leather goods brand. All RTW is together on 'Wardrobe & Accessories' whether that means Zara or Loro Piana.
There are some brands that started off as couture fashion/RTW and diversified into accessories (where the real money is) e.g. YSL, Valentino and Alexander Mcqueen and then there are leather goods/saddlers/trunk makers that incorporated RTW (for the fashion show publicity and seasonal direction) e.g. Gucci or Hermes. These are both very different beasts. Most of YSL's and Mcqueen's bags and leatherwoods are made in Gucci's factories, whereas the silk scarves that Gucci, Valentino, Mcqueen and many others sell are designed in-house and then made in the same factories in the Italian lake district. Hermes makes its own scarves, many of them in Lyon but some in other parts of the world too.
Vivienne Westwood is a designer that no longer designs a great deal, her name, silhouette, and brand's ethos are interpreted through the seasonal collections by the current designer Andreas Kronthaler although she oversees the creative vision of the overall brand.
In the wardrobe world, Alberta Ferretti is most defiantly premier designer. She has had diffusion lines in the past (Ferretti) which was also fairly expensive. A full-length gown at Ferretti can cost around $3-8K.
The reason Ferretti is not on 'Vlad's list' is that AF is a gown specialist that does other RTW, not a leather goods brand. All RTW is together on 'Wardrobe & Accessories' whether that means Zara or Loro Piana.
There are some brands that started off as couture fashion/RTW and diversified into accessories (where the real money is) e.g. YSL, Valentino and Alexander Mcqueen and then there are leather goods/saddlers/trunk makers that incorporated RTW (for the fashion show publicity and seasonal direction) e.g. Gucci or Hermes. These are both very different beasts. Most of YSL's and Mcqueen's bags and leatherwoods are made in Gucci's factories, whereas the silk scarves that Gucci, Valentino, Mcqueen and many others sell are designed in-house and then made in the same factories in the Italian lake district. Hermes makes its own scarves, many of them in Lyon but some in other parts of the world too.
Right, thanks for all of this information. I know Westwoods husband is the main designer now, but would you say her brand would be classed as premier or contemporary?