What leathers are considered heritage?

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A little off topic perhaps - but I have a habit of saving the official hermes.com descriptions on leathers whenever I see one for my study purposes :smile: you know the little section that shows up when you click product details...they include what year the leather was introduced in. Obviously you can't find all the leathers on hermes.com and they will only have what's still current so no discontinued ones...but here's a list of what I've grabbed so far sorted by year they are introduced. Obviously not a lot that I'd call heritage but I guess some tangentially related information!

1920s box
1920 ostrich
1990s mysore goatskin
1992 taurillon clemence
1997 togo calfskin
1998 hunter cowhide
2002 negonda calfskin
2004 swift calfskin, epsom calfskin, evergrain
2005 milo lambskin
2012 country cowhide, evercolor
2015 novillo
2016 barenia faubourg
2017 sombrero II
2018 allegretto calfskin, chamkila goatskin, monsieur calfskin, grained monsieur calfskin
I find it fascinating that approximately 70 years of leather offerings are listed here- I’m assuming it only relates to leathers that are (still) currently in production ...those definitely are what I would consider “heritage” leathers...I wonder where Classic Barenia was first used (and rumor has it still being used) ?
 
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I find it fascinating that approximately 70 years of leather offerings are listed here- I’m assuming it only relates to leathers that are (still) currently in production ...those definitely are what I would consider “heritage” leathers...I wonder where Classic Barenia was first used (and rumor has it still being used) ?
The Bolide was designed in 1923 and the sac a deseches in the 30s, so we are talking more like a century of leather offerings. For handbags, for other goods of course it goes back more. I understand Barenia/natural leather was first used for saddles as this was Hermes business and in any event natural leather, tanned or not, is what everybody would use or? And I guess the firs
T Haut à Courroies would have been produced in such leather.
 
Vintage bags are among my favorites especially Kellys in box..
I was just reflecting about my green Courcheval Kelly that I purchased in the 70's
from the H boutique when it was on E. 57th st.
Wow, that was a blast from the past! I remember when it was still on E 57th St. That’s where my H journey began in the 1990’s. I still recall seeing a gleaming, snow white Kelly in a display cabinet and Birkins were ~$5k. My how times (and prices) have changed.
 
A little off topic perhaps - but I have a habit of saving the official hermes.com descriptions on leathers whenever I see one for my study purposes :smile: you know the little section that shows up when you click product details...they include what year the leather was introduced in. Obviously you can't find all the leathers on hermes.com and they will only have what's still current so no discontinued ones...but here's a list of what I've grabbed so far sorted by year they are introduced. Obviously not a lot that I'd call heritage but I guess some tangentially related information!

1920s box
1920 ostrich
1990s mysore goatskin
1992 taurillon clemence
1997 togo calfskin
1998 hunter cowhide
2002 negonda calfskin
2004 swift calfskin, epsom calfskin, evergrain
2005 milo lambskin
2012 country cowhide, evercolor
2015 novillo
2016 barenia faubourg
2017 sombrero II
2018 allegretto calfskin, chamkila goatskin, monsieur calfskin, grained monsieur calfskin

Great list! I have been saving the leather descriptions on the H site for my references, but didn't think of organizing them chronologically.
 
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What a great topic !
Heritage leathers used by Hermes !
Gosh kind of like saying vintage ?
It’s a bit vague ?
I mean are we looking for early used leathers for hand bags ? Like some 30 years ago or like leathers and skins Which were rolled out in the earliest days of handbag production?
Either way Some of these oldies maybe will work ?
Box calf
Box Nepal
Peau porc
Vache Naturelle
Vache Bride
Vache hunter
Vache Espace
Crocodile
Alligator
Monitor lizard
Ombré
Doblis Suede
Veau Gulliver
Charmonix
Ardennes
Barenia
Buffalo skipper
???
 
What a great topic !
Heritage leathers used by Hermes !
Gosh kind of like saying vintage ?
It’s a bit vague ?
I mean are we looking for early used leathers for hand bags ? Like some 30 years ago or like leathers and skins Which were rolled out in the earliest days of handbag production?
Either way Some of these oldies maybe will work?

I guess it’s kind of vague for the purposes of this thread. I know Hermes uses the phrase ”heritage leathers”, but I’m not sure if that’s what we’re talking about here. If so, then it’s a very specific list, isn’t it?
 
What a great topic !
Heritage leathers used by Hermes !
Gosh kind of like saying vintage ?
It’s a bit vague ?
I mean are we looking for early used leathers for hand bags ? Like some 30 years ago or like leathers and skins Which were rolled out in the earliest days of handbag production?
Either way Some of these oldies maybe will work ?
Box calf
Box Nepal
Peau porc
Vache Naturelle
Vache Bride
Vache hunter
Vache Espace
Crocodile
Alligator
Monitor lizard
Ombré
Doblis Suede
Veau Gulliver
Charmonix
Ardennes
Barenia
Buffalo skipper
???
Great list thank you! I am going to ask them next time I get a chance. I’d love to hear their own definition. Also doblis!!!!! I remember the leather for ever exhibition when we had the chance to handle all the leathers... divine experience.
 
Ooh, just remembered Volynska.
I hope I spelled that correctly...

Almost. Volynka

It's heritage and not heritage. I saw something about it in the Leather Forever exhibition when it came to London. I think they had a bag made from some of the shipwreck salvage. Not sure when it was made though and whether it was ever made with a sale in mind.

From h.com

In 1920s Paris it was the fashionable scent. Fleeing a world they no longer recognized as their own, White Russians cherished it as a vestige of their grandeur. They put its name to a variety of fragrances, virile to varying degrees. Russian leather was all the rage with perfumers. It seduced women, yet the scent’s origin was the warlike hide for soldiers’ boots. According to the legend, yufte – another of its names – was born when a Cossack rubbed his boots with birch bark to make them waterproof. This quality, plus its strength, made its reputation. Russian leather was the ageless material for binding books and lining the interiors of carriages. Solid but soft to the touch, it played to the senses. These talismans, remarks Sophie Mouquin, “exude a mixture of lapsang souchong, cigar and peat-rich whisky, the unique odour that is its signature.” There is no doubt, however, that in the eighteenth century it was one of the prized commodities in Imperial Russia’s trade with the West, which remained the prime destination for the best skins tanned in the Moscow region until early in the 1900s. Then its secrets were drowned out in the tumult of the October Revolution.
The imperial leather sheds its skin
  • When Russian leather came back to life it was on the other side of the English Channel, in the early 1970s. Divers off the Cornish coast brought up the precious cargo of a two-master that had sunk when it hit a storm off the Plymouth Sound in 1786. The Metta Catharina had set sail from Saint Petersburg for Genoa, but the hemp and Russian leather in its hold never reached their destination. For two centuries the sea had kept the handsome rolls of leather wrapped in its protective silt. Their discovery by divers in such fine condition confirmed that this unique material is indeed rotproof.

@Serva1 can fill us in because she actually has some.
 
I feel like Box and Barenia are heritage. To me "heritage" connotes being part of the earlier history of the maison. Not sure which other leathers were used, say, pre-1940, but these two seem certainly heritage.

Volynka is really beautiful but it's literally an attempt to recreate the Metta Catherina leather, so more of a dip into someone else's history..
Hope not OT but this is a nice article on the original MC leather:
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/28/nyregion/a-200-year-old-gift-from-under-the-sea.html
 
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Almost. Volynka

It's heritage and not heritage. I saw something about it in the Leather Forever exhibition when it came to London. I think they had a bag made from some of the shipwreck salvage. Not sure when it was made though and whether it was ever made with a sale in mind.

From h.com

In 1920s Paris it was the fashionable scent. Fleeing a world they no longer recognized as their own, White Russians cherished it as a vestige of their grandeur. They put its name to a variety of fragrances, virile to varying degrees. Russian leather was all the rage with perfumers. It seduced women, yet the scent’s origin was the warlike hide for soldiers’ boots. According to the legend, yufte – another of its names – was born when a Cossack rubbed his boots with birch bark to make them waterproof. This quality, plus its strength, made its reputation. Russian leather was the ageless material for binding books and lining the interiors of carriages. Solid but soft to the touch, it played to the senses. These talismans, remarks Sophie Mouquin, “exude a mixture of lapsang souchong, cigar and peat-rich whisky, the unique odour that is its signature.” There is no doubt, however, that in the eighteenth century it was one of the prized commodities in Imperial Russia’s trade with the West, which remained the prime destination for the best skins tanned in the Moscow region until early in the 1900s. Then its secrets were drowned out in the tumult of the October Revolution.
The imperial leather sheds its skin
  • When Russian leather came back to life it was on the other side of the English Channel, in the early 1970s. Divers off the Cornish coast brought up the precious cargo of a two-master that had sunk when it hit a storm off the Plymouth Sound in 1786. The Metta Catharina had set sail from Saint Petersburg for Genoa, but the hemp and Russian leather in its hold never reached their destination. For two centuries the sea had kept the handsome rolls of leather wrapped in its protective silt. Their discovery by divers in such fine condition confirmed that this unique material is indeed rotproof.

@Serva1 can fill us in because she actually has some.

I feel like Box and Barenia are heritage. To me "heritage" connotes being part of the earlier history of the maison. Not sure which other leathers were used, say, pre-1940, but these two seem certainly heritage.

Volynka is really beautiful but it's literally an attempt to recreate the Metta Catherina leather, so more of a dip into someone else's history..
Hope not OT but this is a nice article on the original MC leather:
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/28/nyregion/a-200-year-old-gift-from-under-the-sea.html

thank you both for including all of this awesome information!
 
What a great topic !
Heritage leathers used by Hermes !
Gosh kind of like saying vintage ?
It’s a bit vague ?
I mean are we looking for early used leathers for hand bags ? Like some 30 years ago or like leathers and skins Which were rolled out in the earliest days of handbag production?
Either way Some of these oldies maybe will work ?
Box calf
Box Nepal
Peau porc
Vache Naturelle
Vache Bride
Vache hunter
Vache Espace
Crocodile
Alligator
Monitor lizard
Ombré
Doblis Suede
Veau Gulliver
Charmonix
Ardennes
Barenia
Buffalo skipper
???
Late to the thread but I've been reading up on the different Vache leathers. In the Vache Hunter thread, someone mentioned that Hunter is actually processed/finished? Is this true? How does it compare to Vache Naturelle? TIA!!!!
 
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