Speaking of trying to make sense of prices, and of questions no one asked -
The MYSTERIOUS "MILLIS" has finally made an appearance!
After last month's barely subtle attack on YouTube I thought it would never happen. The ID of the Etsy seller may ring a bell - VintageCoach4Less. Just for the record, I do NOT like that person, and he has made no secret of the fact that he hates my guts. There are at least a dozen posts by me here at tPF that prove it including his multiple names and offenses against other tPF members, not to mention his "HYACINTH, R.I.P" photoshopped pic that could be legally construed as a threat.
~Coach Millie Top Handle Bag~ Not a Murphy...Not a Winnie! Not A Willis...Its a Millie Bag! In Black Leather Unique and...Awesome! Coach Registration #0825-307, Style number was #9930...now who knows! Brass Hardware is in EXCELLENT Condition. Original Hang Tag Included! L:7- H:9-1/2- D:3-1/4. it
www.etsy.com
"COACH 'Millis!' Hybrid Bag! #0825-307 Style #9930? ~ Brass ~ Black ~ Excellent Vintage Condition
$549.99
"Coach 'Millis' Bag~ Not a Murphy...Not a Winnie! Not A Willis...Its a Millis Bag!
In Black Leather
Unique and...Awesome! Coach Registration #0825-307, Style number was #9930...now who knows! Brass Hardware is in EXCELLENT Condition. Original Hang Tag Included! L:7"- H:9-1/2"- D:3-1/4". it has 2 Straps: The original with a Non-Removable but adjustable Strap - 23" ~ 18" Drop. AND a genuine Smaller coach strap that's part of the 'Millis' Package, that's Removable, and adjustable from 25" to 12"! It also has the Willis Winnie handle! Like a Tall Winnie! Wow! This Purse is a Hybrid you wont find anywhere. Great for either the Willis, Winnie or Murphy collector! All parts are interchangeable, and bag can be returned back to its original Murphy configuration with ease! NO PARTS OR BAGS where destroyed or damaged to make this Cutie! This Purse is in Excellent Vintage CONDITION. Have At It! "
A few of you may have seen this Unique style's introduction on YouTube a month ago where a nice rather elderly (i.e. about my age, 65-70-something) lady was persuaded by the bag's "creator" to make and post a YT video singing its praises and extolling the bag's unique features. She praised the bag and its creator warmly and quoted the general price range that he'd mentioned he planned to list the bags for, IIRC it was about $550-$650 depending on color.
Another regular YouTuber and Coach collector, also a lady in her 60s or 70s (who had mentioned that she was recovering from Covid as was her family) made the fatal mistake of putting up a separate video under her own ID (I won't mention either one because those 2 ladies apparently knew each other and have already had enough grief from this situation) as a response to the first lady's YT video that she had made something similar but for much less money, and also added a few things she disagreed with that the creator had told the first lady about the price, value and ease of use with that added top handle.
Well, it didn't take long for the "creator" to get wind of it and hit back at Lady #2 and indirectly at Lady #1 who had done HIM a favor by promoting his "Millis". He posted a derogatory reply to Lady #2's post and according to her also posted or sent what she said were threats against her
and her family. He also sat by silently while several of the "Pit Bullies" from at least one of his private Facebook groups took over the criticisms aimed at both ladies, one of whom Lady #1 had described as being "Dave's rehabber". I believe the lady described her as Michelle. I think Purple is her favorite color.
I Saved many of the posts in Lady #2s video Comments, some obviously from the "Millis"s creators fans and even more from other posters standing behind the 2 ladies. Sadly they both were so upset that they decided to remove both videos, instead of filing a complaint with YouTube for harassment, so both videos are gone although a few people here at tPF may remember them. The second lady sounded near tears when she recorded and posted her decision and the first lady found out what her new creator "friend" was really like. The self- anointed "creator" probably displayed one of the most disgusting reactions I've ever seen on YouTube or any other supposedly 'friendly" social media site. (Just for the record, he also did something almost as classless a year ago, when some OTHER lady who was just showing off (NOT selling!) some of her treasured vintage Coaches made the mistake of unwittingly showing what was actually a fake. Not only did the "creator" bug her to let him see the creed (which she didn't) but for the next 3 or 4 days he kept posting in the PUBLIC Comments of that video that "THAT BAG IS FAKE" and publicly shaming and embarrassing that poor lady. She eventually must have complained to YouTube because his posts were finally removed.
Here is the YouTube post exactly as it was PUBLICLY posted on YouTube by the "Millis" creator using one of his alternate IDs, January 16, 2022.Please note the
Bolded description of where he acquires his Murphys:
"Dave Edwards
6 hours ago
@vintage C**** C******** FYI, your bag is not a 'Millis' Bag. That is my Idea and my creation. Please don't say that. That name is MY name, not yours.My Millis bags are much more involved than what you are suggesting in your Video. My bags have another authentic adjustable coach strap that fits nicely in the back of the D-rings, they are for the most part re-purposed trash bags, including the original Murphy strap, so they can be restored to the original state. These bags are not like your Murphy with a willis handle on them. They are carefully professionally restored, with all instructions and directions to restore to the original Murphy bags, and aren't just slapped together with a handle from a willis bag like yours. A lot of time and money and consideration went into these bags and I do NOT appreciate your novice appraisal of them. Please research your comments prior to commenting publicly on them."
(Soooo..., theyre
trashed Murphys with Willis or sort-of-Willis handles added? Why not just buy a Willis? It's not like they're hard to find, and most for less than $549.99.)
... and appearing shortly afterwards were several replies from 2 of his followers, their last names have been mostly removed but they are current or Banned tPF members, a few posters here might recognise them. There were probably others that I missed.
from:
"Gail T
4 hours ago
You said it yourself, more than once, “I never would have thought of it”…..because you didn’t! A man named Dave Edwards did. Please give credit where it’s due. For someone who claims to not like drama there is sure a whole lot of it in this video. I used to enjoy your channel, not anymore. As an artist I am totally against someone stealing someone else’s idea and undercutting their talent, not cool. I’ll be letting myself out now."
and also from:
"Gail T
4 hours ago
@vintage C**** C******** I watched your entire video, where you cross the line is by disparaging his price (which is not definitively stated)* and saying how it’s so “easy” to do by yourself therefore saving hundreds of dollars. It’s not necessarily easy for everyone to do, that’s why Coach re-loved bags sell so well at the premium prices that they do, because not everyone can do what they do. My point is that it’s not cool to publicly disparage and undermine someone else’s work, that’s all. I’m sorry that you think it’s ok to do so."
(* - note the selling price of the "Millis")
also
"Michelle M
4 hours ago
@vintage C**** C******** It's is your idea to post this video, speak negatively of others and encourage your viewers to "make" their own. It's not possible to purchase a fully, professionally restored Murphy for under $100. Additionally, the Millis is constructed of 100% authentic Coach parts, not replacement parts. One cannot source a fully restored Murphy bag, Willis and appropriate Coach strap as you are suggesting here. You're not giving the correct information because you don't have all the information. Your selectively providing information."
There were other posts that I also have saved, but these are some of the pertinent ones, and apparently there were also other communications that were private.
Lady #2 finally posted this 2 days later:
Jan 18, 2022
"Hi friend, this is me saying goodbye. I will be removing my channel for good. Dave has lied about me, and dragged me through the mud. I'm done. I feel absolutely broken. Please, stay safe and Thanks for all the good comments you shared on the channel and the support hope you all the best and all good things in life come your way. XOX"
Lady #1 removed her video the same day.
Dale / Dave, you must be VERY proud of yourself and your minions. I hope you enjoy your $549.99.