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I have memory lapses on this, because I have come up with this idea several times now as I have a tiny neck and 2 five motifs joined are not short on me as a necklace (in any case, I would lengthen them, because I do not wear Alhambra bracelets on my wrist at all). A friend on the forum has listened to this idea 2 or 3 times now, and each time she reminds me of the actual problem. There would be two onyx next to each other on either side since each bracelet has 3 onyx and 2 pave. Ugh. I still may do it, especially if I forget her advice again before the next time I decide to buy a second onyx pave bracelet!
Oh right... good point! Too many oynx motifs!
After I posted to join two bracelets, I tried the look with my two WG MOP bracelets. My WG MOP bracelets are each shortened by two links, and I too have a thin neck. The necklace was too long on me as well. I don't wear short necklaces, but I tried it for fun. The clasps also showed, so it's definitely not for me. If you don't mind clasps showing...

Plan B... here's the answer and you get 2 for 1!
Get the 5 motif pave bracelet. You can join it with your oynx pave to make a 10. Poof! Alternating! The eye will only see alternating oynx pave because each clasp will have one oynx and one diamond motif.

You can also wear the 5 motif pave bracelet in the front as a second option (you'll have to hide the other bracelet with your hair/shirt collar or use an extender chain. But you also get the all pave look too.
 
I have memory lapses on this, because I have come up with this idea several times now as I have a tiny neck and 2 five motifs joined are not short on me as a necklace (in any case, I would lengthen them, because I do not wear Alhambra bracelets on my wrist at all). A friend on the forum has listened to this idea 2 or 3 times now, and each time she reminds me of the actual problem. There would be two onyx next to each other on either side since each bracelet has 3 onyx and 2 pave. Ugh. I still may do it, especially if I forget her advice again before the next time I decide to buy a second onyx pave bracelet!

I think the solid wg works pretty well as the back side of 2 joined 5-motifs. The clasps might bother me, though. You really don't see the back three motifs.

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I think the solid wg works pretty well as the back side of 2 joined 5-motifs. The clasps might bother me, though. You really don't see the back three motifs.

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I was thinking this was best option too. However I really am not a fan of clasps showing and feel at these price points better to get a suitable 10.
 
I agree with all of you to a certain degree. However, waiting for the 10 that I actually want makes the most sense for me. Most people want a bracelet to wear as a bracelet and might be looking to use it also occasionally as a necklace as a “bonus”. I am different in that I only want necklaces and have all 10+5s combos unless I have the same stone in a 20 motif. While waiting to see which 10s become part of the regular line, in the meantime it makes the most sense to just use the pieces I already have that match fairly well. The all YG hammered with the YG guilloche pave and the WG GMOP (since it looks quite similar to all WG with the silvery color) with the onyx WG pave. I don’t need any chain bracelets without a matching necklace, but I think all 3 orphans I have will sooner or later be released in a 10 motif as part of the regular line.
I also have the giant hair of a lioness, so clasps really do not show.
 
I love how they look stacked. But 70% of the time, I wear my 5 motifs alone. Each 5 motif has it's own unique personality and beauty. Chalcedony and WG is soft and interesting. Onyx and WG is bold with an attitude. Carnelian and WG is "look at me! look at me!" Well, I also usually wear my bangles (I only have two) alone too, at least 90% of the time. I focus too much on the details and I think I find it harder to take a step back and enjoy the stacked look as a whole. And scratches bother me. Even knowing that it's scratching bothers me, even if I can't see it. So I have all my own mental issues to contend with. I guess everyone is different, and comes from a different place. But I picky enough to want most of my pieces in WG "in case" I want to stack. Ok, maybe lots of mental issues.:lol:
I actually have the same mental issue with scratches, that held me for a long time to not purchase bracelets, especially MOP one. Then I decided to go for it and just be very careful with washing hands and scratching. :lol:
I know I can’t wear more than 3 pieces at a time and I love wearing earrings so that mean stacking would be only limited to 2 bracelets for me. I think it is totally fair to collect only WG, I think a lot of people actually do that. I collect mostly YG but here comes my mental issue:lol: I like to wear some cool pastel tones in winter like pastel blue/grey, pastel pink, pastel lavender and some navy tones. I always feel like my YG pieces don’t match well with these colours, so I need some WG pieces too. I use my sweet pave earrings the most during the winter, I have the pave pendant too but pendant is not great in winter with all that thick turtlenecks, so a WG bangle/bracelet could help :lol:


That Cosmos oynx BTF. So striking. You don't see it often. I'm saving that photo just in case I cave and decide to get that ring for the oynx set. Thanks for sharing!
When I saw it immediately you came to my mind, I think it is a great piece for you! I also love the magic long necklace, this whole necklace and ring look matches so well with you :girlsigh:
 
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I actually have the same mental issue with scratches, that held me for a long time to not purchase bracelets, especially MOP one. Then I decided to go for it and just be very careful with washing hands and scratching. :lol:
I know I can’t wear more than 3 pieces at a time and I love wearing earrings so that mean stacking would be only limited to 2 bracelets for me. I think it is totally fair to collect only WG, I think a lot of people actually do that. I collect mostly YG but here comes my mental issue:lol: I like to wear some cool pastel tones in winter like pastel blue/grey, pastel pink, pastel lavender and some navy tones. I always feel like my YG pieces don’t match well with these colours, so I need some WG pieces too. I use my sweet pave earrings the most during the winter, I have the pave pendant too but pendant is not great in winter with all that thick turtlenecks, so a WG bangle/bracelet could help :lol:



When I saw it immediately you came to my mind, I think it is a great piece for you! I also love the magic long necklace, this whole necklace and ring look matches so well with you :girlsigh:
Yes, I love the look of Cosmos, and I have been searching for another BTF ring, but to no avail. I have purchased enough rings to know I will love the look of Cosmos on me, so it was okay with me when my SA said the WG Cosmos oynx BTF is now only made to order. I asked my SA to bring in anything Cosmos so I could first see the metalwork, and he brought in earrings.

Let me share my thoughts in case others might be interested as well. Of course, this is just my opinion...
I love the Cosmos design; I think it's very elegant. However, I was already hesitant about the bezel, especially set against oynx when I saw Cosmos in photos. When I saw it in real life, I knew I couldn't live with that heavy bezel.

If you look at the ring in the photo again, for me, the first thing my eyes see is the heavy white gold metal bezel against the black oynx. It's crazy, but every time I see Cosmos, all I see is that heavy metal bezel. It's so much metal, and it does not need to be that thick; I honestly do not know why VCA did that. That thick bezel completely changes the look of that ring to me.

Bezels are a very ancient setting, used in antiquity long before prongs were invented. However, bezels are now often used for a sleek contemporary look. Well, the Cosmos design to me is neither an antique look nor is it a contemporary look; hence, I think the heavy bezel setting looks wrong for that piece.

Contrast that to the Alhambra setting. If you look at the Magic motif laying on her shirt, you will see the Alhambra motif has a milgrain bead setting. The look is softer with a touch of elegance. Beautiful.

The best comparison is Vintage Alhambra and Pure Alhambra. Vintage Alhambra (it used to be called just Alhambra before Pure came out), with its milgrain is soft and has an old-world elegance. Pure Alhambra with its thick bezel is contemporary and sleek. You can see in Pure Alhambra the bezel is thick, and that's exactly what gives Pure that beautiful sleek contemporary look. In the case Pure, you want to see that thick bezel as it makes that bold clean look.

Whew... that was a long post.
You caught me in my Sunday morning happy place... assam tea with milk & sugar and a big fat scone with black currant jam. I will soon be bouncing off the walls from too much caffeine and sugar! :nuts::heart:

I do hope my thoughts were helpful to you or anyone looking at the different pieces in VCAs. VCA makes so many different styles there is something for everyone, albeit there is more for YG and RG lovers! :annoyed:

Cosmos is a beautiful collection for someone who doesn't mind or even prefers a heavy bezel. I saw a RG MOP Cosmos, and I think Cosmos is stunning and elegant in RG MOP.

By the way, I agree with you on pastels and YG/RG. I think pastel colors look great with WG/platinum; it's a very crispy look. My favorite combo is pale pink and black with WG jewelry.
 
Does anyone have the Diamond and Pink Sapphire Butterfly earrings that they could share a MOD shot of? I am having second thoughts of getting it as the other VCA clip earrings I own sits low on me (having small earlobes). I've tried the MOP butterfly one for size and that was heavy for my ear hence the 2nd thoughts. Flying to Paris to hopefully get the pair in a few weeks so would love to see a MOD beforehand.


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Big Akoya, I agree 100% on the Cosmos bezel issue. I will try to dig up the comparison photos that I have of the older (thinner bezel)
vs the newer (thicker) bezel in the wg all pave earring- my SA brought the the change when it happened some years ago to my attention and immediately tried to find a pair of the older style pave Cosmos earrings for me to no avail. The difference is significant in the pave and even more against the onyx and I can't "unsee" it. I don't care for it all and I am so upset with myself for not getting them before the design change. I think they thought the change made the design more "modern" but to me it just drew my attention away from the stones which should be the main focus IMHO.
I also wanted the wg pave cosmos pin/pendant but again that bezel ... no way. I love the Cosmos design and find it super elegant.
 
Yes, I love the look of Cosmos, and I have been searching for another BTF ring, but to no avail. I have purchased enough rings to know I will love the look of Cosmos on me, so it was okay with me when my SA said the WG Cosmos oynx BTF is now only made to order. I asked my SA to bring in anything Cosmos so I could first see the metalwork, and he brought in earrings.

Let me share my thoughts in case others might be interested as well. Of course, this is just my opinion...
I love the Cosmos design; I think it's very elegant. However, I was already hesitant about the bezel, especially set against oynx when I saw Cosmos in photos. When I saw it in real life, I knew I couldn't live with that heavy bezel.

If you look at the ring in the photo again, for me, the first thing my eyes see is the heavy white gold metal bezel against the black oynx. It's crazy, but every time I see Cosmos, all I see is that heavy metal bezel. It's so much metal, and it does not need to be that thick; I honestly do not know why VCA did that. That thick bezel completely changes the look of that ring to me.

Bezels are a very ancient setting, used in antiquity long before prongs were invented. However, bezels are now often used for a sleek contemporary look. Well, the Cosmos design to me is neither an antique look nor is it a contemporary look; hence, I think the heavy bezel setting looks wrong for that piece.

Contrast that to the Alhambra setting. If you look at the Magic motif laying on her shirt, you will see the Alhambra motif has a milgrain bead setting. The look is softer with a touch of elegance. Beautiful.

The best comparison is Vintage Alhambra and Pure Alhambra. Vintage Alhambra (it used to be called just Alhambra before Pure came out), with its milgrain is soft and has an old-world elegance. Pure Alhambra with its thick bezel is contemporary and sleek. You can see in Pure Alhambra the bezel is thick, and that's exactly what gives Pure that beautiful sleek contemporary look. In the case Pure, you want to see that thick bezel as it makes that bold clean look.

Whew... that was a long post.
You caught me in my Sunday morning happy place... assam tea with milk & sugar and a big fat scone with black currant jam. I will soon be bouncing off the walls from too much caffeine and sugar! :nuts::heart:

I do hope my thoughts were helpful to you or anyone looking at the different pieces in VCAs. VCA makes so many different styles there is something for everyone, albeit there is more for YG and RG lovers! :annoyed:

Cosmos is a beautiful collection for someone who doesn't mind or even prefers a heavy bezel. I saw a RG MOP Cosmos, and I think Cosmos is stunning and elegant in RG MOP.

By the way, I agree with you on pastels and YG/RG. I think pastel colors look great with WG/platinum; it's a very crispy look. My favorite combo is pale pink and black with WG jewelry.
I have never seen the cosmos line, last time I had a chance to visit the boutique my eyes were on the hunt for frivole and alhambra :biggrin: I totally understand your point on the ring. Onyx and WG combination is already quite strong, it doesn’t need a thick edge to feel more “edgy”. The whole Cosmos line never really got my attention just like butterflies line. Maybe it is because I am relatively new to VCA and I need more time to appreciate other collections.

I think my collection needs some WG pieces, I love how chalcedony, MOP, GMOP combination looks but I know that neither the 3-motif nor the 6-motif is my style. I want to get a pair of WG earrings or a bracelet and be done for this year :biggrin:
 
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It is so funny how we can have very similar preferences on most things and very different views on specific pieces! I can't say that I remember seeing onyx Cosmos in person, so I only have pictures to reference. But I love the wg bezel around the onyx Cosmos pieces, at least from pictures! The white gold edge is the one thing that would allow a person with dark hair to wear those earrings. Without it, the earrings would blend in with the hair too much. I've considered the ring since I have the onyx pave bracelet, but it's far down on my list and I don't even know if it is MTO anymore. I love the mop and the pave versions, too! :lol: I love far too many things at VCA!
 
Big Akoya, I agree 100% on the Cosmos bezel issue. I will try to dig up the comparison photos that I have of the older (thinner bezel)
vs the newer (thicker) bezel in the wg all pave earring- my SA brought the the change when it happened some years ago to my attention and immediately tried to find a pair of the older style pave Cosmos earrings for me to no avail. The difference is significant in the pave and even more against the onyx and I can't "unsee" it. I don't care for it all and I am so upset with myself for not getting them before the design change. I think they thought the change made the design more "modern" but to me it just drew my attention away from the stones which should be the main focus IMHO.
I also wanted the wg pave cosmos pin/pendant but again that bezel ... no way. I love the Cosmos design and find it super elegant.
I am so glad you understand what I'm talking about! I can't deal with that heavy bezel.
I love Cosmos too, but the elegance is lost with the thick bezel.

The line is not a big seller according to my SA, and my guess is it's because it's neither old-world glamour nor sleek contemporary. I hope they decide to revamp it a bit. I hope you can dig up some photos! I would love to see them.
 
I actually have the same mental issue with scratches, that held me for a long time to not purchase bracelets, especially MOP one. Then I decided to go for it and just be very careful with washing hands and scratching. :lol:
I know I can’t wear more than 3 pieces at a time and I love wearing earrings so that mean stacking would be only limited to 2 bracelets for me. I think it is totally fair to collect only WG, I think a lot of people actually do that. I collect mostly YG but here comes my mental issue:lol: I like to wear some cool pastel tones in winter like pastel blue/grey, pastel pink, pastel lavender and some navy tones. I always feel like my YG pieces don’t match well with these colours, so I need some WG pieces too. I use my sweet pave earrings the most during the winter, I have the pave pendant too but pendant is not great in winter with all that thick turtlenecks, so a WG bangle/bracelet could help :lol:



When I saw it immediately you came to my mind, I think it is a great piece for you! I also love the magic long necklace, this whole necklace and ring look matches so well with you :girlsigh:
@nightbefore, do you have a mod shot of your sweet pave earrings by chance? I’m usually into smaller earrings since I have small ears/earlobes. I like the look of the classic size but have a feeling I won’t be reaching for them for day to day if I get a pair of the vintage alhambra sized earrings.
 
It is so funny how we can have very similar preferences on most things and very different views on specific pieces! I can't say that I remember seeing onyx Cosmos in person, so I only have pictures to reference. But I love the wg bezel around the onyx Cosmos pieces, at least from pictures! The white gold edge is the one thing that would allow a person with dark hair to wear those earrings. Without it, the earrings would blend in with the hair too much. I've considered the ring since I have the onyx pave bracelet, but it's far down on my list and I don't even know if it is MTO anymore. I love the mop and the pave versions, too! :lol: I love far too many things at VCA!
So agree. I thought I wouldn’t love the cosmos from seeing them on the website but once on and IRL I love them. The bezel really works, especially in making it pop once worn. They are absolutely stunning. And I also just love four petals. The symmetry is so soothing to my soul. I wish it wasn’t so heavy, and also way beyond it price point. But maybe the MOP…
 
I am so glad you understand what I'm talking about! I can't deal with that heavy bezel.
I love Cosmos too, but the elegance is lost with the thick bezel.

The line is not a big seller according to my SA, and my guess is it's because it's neither old-world glamour nor sleek contemporary. I hope they decide to revamp it a bit. I hope you can dig up some photos! I would love to see them.
My SA steered me a away from it. All she had to do was say the word "matronly," and eegh! that was that. If I want onyx there's always the rose de noel earrings for consideration. But as @DS2006 mentions, onyx without a bezel might vanish if you have dark hair. But it may not be a bad thing if my wishlist got a little shorter!
 
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