"The Rich New York Women Who Love Their Fake Birkins" article in The Cut - thoughts?

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That for correcting your husband, Some people don't realize that singling out race or ethnicity in a story can come off racist. I had a chance to look at the site and from what I see all races shop there. If these women are really rich buying reps, it seems they have too much time and money on their hands. However, I will say the rep Tupperware parties are very real on the UWS. I have been invited to a few and have always refused. I don't buy reps, IDC how good they get. I am not a VIP shopper of Hermes, I can only afford 1 quota bag every 2 years, but something about saving my money and working hard to get it just feels better. Not to mention it can be repaired! I am not into the instant gratification of buying a bag like some are. Even if I got super-wealthy, I still wouldn't need to stoop to that level. I more so don't understand the need to have some 10 - 30 bags like some of those women on the Reddit site. Like I'm happy with my 4 bags. It's giving obsessive and unhealthy shopping addiction. Like I said too much money and time. Spending $1000 on a rep that can't be repaired hurts my soul.
Exactly. I have been guilty of it myself and have been working on it. Nearly twenty years ago I had a realtor who bragged to me about her knockoff Prada bag that she bought at a purse party. I had no idea such a thing existed. At the time my budget limited me to Coach and other contemporary brands. I now have a very nice collection of bags that are real. I don't want it if it's fake.
 
I have forayed into that /r/repladies subreddit. It's... interesting to say the least. Among all the QA/QC posts, there are occasional threads on how people feel and how others feel about the world of fakes/reps, etc etc.

What I'm going to say below may not be true but after having been a lurker there for a while, here are my thoughts. I'm going to be generalizing a bit and maybe a bit of psychoanalysis/just me making (possibly false) assumptions.

I don't think they realize it but it feels to me that those who are active in that community (will refer as RepLadies from here on out) are living kind of a contradiction and don't have insight into their contradiction. There's almost like an undercurrent of disdain and bitterness toward the world of luxury. I see it coming out when they poo poo or turn their noses on authentic bags because they constantly are putting down the real bags. "Quality is no longer as it once was so it's not worth the money" or "My rep is just as good" or that "it's just a bag, I'm not going to spend that much on it". I feel that they're trying to elevate their rep bags by devaluing the authentic bags. It's almost like they're trying to say "the emperor has no clothes" and they're the only ones who can see through the facade. Simultaneously, they really want the bag. Because whether or not they will ever admit to it, RepLadies also has this consistent theme of people really enjoying their bags, including the status symbol that they represent and what it says about the wearer of the bag. But it comes out as "Ha! I pulled a fast one on everyone else cause I got it at a fraction of the price and you can't even tell!"

I have always wanted to point out this out to them and ask them, do you not see this contradiction and the mental gymnastic you go through to justify this 'journey'? It's almost like they were not invited to this cool and awesome party. But instead of either navigating their way into that party (venturing outside of your comfort zone to make new friends, finding a date, or just asking the host) or just being ok with not included, they poo poo on it and make fun of the people who are invited, almost as if they're too cool for it. But deep down, I feel like they really do want to be invited to the party and would go in a heartbeat if they could. But until then, they would rather steep in their own insecurities and turn their nose at others, rather than just dealing with it maturely and say "I wasn't invited to this party. It wasn't meant to be or whatever. It's ok, I'll just keep doing my thing and there'll be other parties" or whatever healthy coping mechanism.

It just seems like there are a lot of people in RepLadies who want to live and project a certain lifestyle, but they either don't have the financial ability to do it or don't want to or whatever else reason they have. And deep inside, they're bitter about it. Maybe because of social media, societal pressures, etc, they feel entitled to have that lifestyle. That entitlement and insecurity then combine to create this subreddit/community where they get to simultaneously worship and tear down the very institution they love and hate.

Sorry for the wall of text. And you can definitely accuse of me of generalizing and making tons of assumptions. But if anyone cares to, spend some time in there and see if you agree or disagree. The amount of scrutiny they have over the bags. The amount of $ people spend. It's... something, if not at least a fascinating psychological survey of people. Just like my wife says, some times it has nothing to do with the thing itself but everything around it. That's why I think it's more than just the bag. I feel like it speaks to their station in life, what kind of life they expect to have versus what they actually have, and how they want to be seen by others, and how they desire to be in that world of luxury but at the same time detest it. Hope they, and many non RepLadies, all find peace in whatever they're buying.
 
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I have forayed into that /r/repladies subreddit. It's... interesting to say the least. Among all the QA/QC posts, there are occasional threads on how people feel and how others feel about the world of fakes/reps, etc etc.

What I'm going to say below may not be true but after having been a lurker there for a while, here are my thoughts. I'm going to be generalizing a bit and maybe a bit of psychoanalysis/just me making (possibly false) assumptions.

I don't think they realize it but it feels to me that those who are active in that community (will refer as RepLadies from here on out) are living kind of a contradiction and don't have insight into their contradiction. There's almost like an undercurrent of disdain and bitterness toward the world of luxury. I see it coming out when they poo poo or turn their noses on authentic bags because they constantly are putting down the real bags. "Quality is no longer as it once was so it's not worth the money" or "My rep is just as good" or that "it's just a bag, I'm not going to spend that much on it". I feel that they're trying to elevate their rep bags by devaluing the authentic bags. It's almost like they're trying to say "the emperor has no clothes" and they're the only ones who can see through the facade. Simultaneously, they really want the bag. Because whether or not they will ever admit to it, RepLadies also has this consistent theme of people really enjoying their bags, including the status symbol that they represent and what it says about the wearer of the bag. But it comes out as "Ha! I pulled a fast one on everyone else cause I got it at a fraction of the price and you can't even tell!"

I have always wanted to point out this out to them and ask them, do you not see this contradiction and the mental gymnastic you go through to justify this 'journey'? It's almost like they were not invited to this cool and awesome party. But instead of either navigating their way into that party (venturing outside of your comfort zone to make new friends, finding a date, or just asking the host) or just being ok with not included, they poo poo on it and make fun of the people who are invited, almost as if they're too cool for it. But deep down, I feel like they really do want to be invited to the party and would go in a heartbeat if they could. But until then, they would rather steep in their own insecurities and turn their nose at others, rather than just dealing with it maturely and say "I wasn't invited to this party. It wasn't meant to be or whatever. It's ok, I'll just keep doing my thing and there'll be other parties" or whatever healthy coping mechanism.

It just seems like there are a lot of people in RepLadies who want to live and project a certain lifestyle, but they either don't have the financial ability to do it or don't want to or whatever else reason they have. And deep inside, they're bitter about it. Maybe because of social media, societal pressures, etc, they feel entitled to have that lifestyle. That entitlement and insecurity then combine to create this subreddit/community where they get to simultaneously worship and tear down the very institution they love and hate.

Sorry for the wall of text. And you can definitely accuse of me of generalizing and making tons of assumptions. But if anyone cares to, spend some time in there and see if you agree or disagree. The amount of scrutiny they have over the bags. The amount of $ people spend. It's... something, if not at least a fascinating psychological survey of people. Just like my wife says, some times it has nothing to do with the thing itself but everything around it. That's why I think it's more than just the bag. I feel like it speaks to their station in life, what kind of life they expect to have versus what they actually have, and how they want to be seen by others, and how they desire to be in that world of luxury but at the same time detest it. Hope they, and many non RepLadies, all find peace in whatever they're buying.
I feel this so hard. I know people who earn considerably less than I do that poops on my $26 mascara saying "I get my mascara from Walgreens for $8, and it's actually the same ingredients" etc. I don't care if you are buying something way less or more, luxury shopping isn't for everyone, whether that's a 5-figure handbag or a mascara that's more expensive than theirs. The situation is incomparable when priorities are different. So the fact that some want the same thing, including the exclusive "status" but poops on someone for paying more for the real thing is a bit hypocritical when if the situations were reversed they may actually enjoy the "journey" if they could be successful at playing the game, so to speak. Or maybe not. Either way, I'm saying that they shouldn't be so judgemental of others that pay for the real thing.

However... I think that feeling goes both ways. I think sometimes we take our privilege for granted because we can afford it (either because we were born into that life or worked our butts to get here). Some choose to buy a fake because they also want to feel the same feeling we feel with our luxury handbags. And I think we can treat them with a bit of grace, even while disagreeing completely.

Don't get me wrong, I will never be as wealthy as some folks here, and I will also never buy a fake no matter how badly I want it. And it's tempting to want to take shortcuts, but things in life that are really worth it are never easy. So as an admirer of the brand, I am happy to be on this journey. Perhaps that's the difference between us and the people on the subreddit.
 
As a fellow Asian, that did stuck out to me as well. Playing devils advocate here , but since this article was written about super fakes from China, I believe they were trying to tie that in to a whole black market. Sorta like insinuating there is some vast network of manufacturer + sellers that are mainly Asian (or even Chinese in this case). Also Cindy in this article is also mentioned to be from Flushing, a place in NYC that has a high population of Chinese Americans. The article also mentions Canal Street (located in Chinatown) which is where fakes were / and still are sold on a daily basis.

I didn't want to say it before, but I would not be shocked if a good number of the people on this repboard is Asian, consider how they are even teaching other members how to communicate with this black market dealers.

It's fine to have an attitude of "i dont care about what the next person has". But keep in mind that developing negative stereotype like "Asians uses fake bags, " (which is a narrative that this article seems to be playfully pushing) may impact the ones that do work hard, save up and purchase real bags.
All these Chinese/ Asian references sound very racist to me to be honest
 
The article isn't fake. It might not be great journalism (there is no examination of the deeper implications and to me it seems like a clickbait headline with no depth), but it's not fake.

I have mentioned before, I have a relative who did an entire thesis on luxury counterfeiting and worked with the various US and European enforcement groups that deal with it. I learned a lot (and saw a lot of fake bags and images of the process) while that was happening.

RepLadies isn't the first; there was a large forum called RepChat that I believe was eventually shut down. Basically identical to the subreddit discussed here, and possibly many of the same people.

This is a huge business. Yes, that's awful, but it is true. I do not want to go into details, because obv we are all very against this, but there are some sophisticated operations out there. Enough so that at least one of them, the largest of the H superfake factories, has its name blocked here (long ago I saw someone mention it and it was asterisked). That factory is part of the leadership of RepLadies and was directly involved in launching it.

Others have said very wise things about the psychology here, so, not going there. But sadly this is not all made up.
 
I found the original article very racist as well (as an Asian myself). Although Asians are stereotyped as being counterfeiters and buying counterfeits, there are also Asians who spend $$$$ on the real thing. That's why Hermes and other luxury brands are growing so much in Asia. Anytime I go shopping, 90% of the people lining up outside of Chanel/LV/Hermes are Asian.

I also have a friend who peruses repladies and always talks to me about it. I'm not sure if she's actually bought a fake yet (she finds it sketchy). But I always get snide remarks like "Can't believe you dropped 10k on a Birkin when you could've paid 1k and you can't even tell them apart"). And I'm thinking, well my bag may have costed me 10k but if I were to ever sell it, I could recover the cost and then some. The person who dropped 1k on a fake can never recover that.
 
The article isn't fake. It might not be great journalism (there is no examination of the deeper implications and to me it seems like a clickbait headline with no depth), but it's not fake.

I have mentioned before, I have a relative who did an entire thesis on luxury counterfeiting and worked with the various US and European enforcement groups that deal with it. I learned a lot (and saw a lot of fake bags and images of the process) while that was happening.

RepLadies isn't the first; there was a large forum called RepChat that I believe was eventually shut down. Basically identical to the subreddit discussed here, and possibly many of the same people.

This is a huge business. Yes, that's awful, but it is true. I do not want to go into details, because obv we are all very against this, but there are some sophisticated operations out there. Enough so that at least one of them, the largest of the H superfake factories, has its name blocked here (long ago I saw someone mention it and it was asterisked). That factory is part of the leadership of RepLadies and was directly involved in launching it.

Others have said very wise things about the psychology here, so, not going there. But sadly this is not all made up.


That sounds like an amazing thesis. It isn't surprising to me that the leadership of that Repladies group is tied back to the very people who are making the fake bags. It surprises me that Repladies hasn't been shut down yet.
 
I skimmed the article, but read through the thread, and what stuck with me was the perceived "opportunity cost" of buying an authentic item instead of investing to these people. I thought this was particularly interesting in relation to how Hermes quota bags are continuously being pushed by media as an "investment pieces" that do "better" than gold and the S&P 500 over time. Even Chanel pieces with their insane price increases have been portrayed as bags that will greatly increase in value in the future. In that sense, the article was refreshing.

Those two perspectives counter one another, yet they are linked by the common desire to build wealth and make the best investments. These luxury bags in both cases are assessed for their investment potential rather than their utilitarian purpose. Speculation fuels both perspectives. Yet, both sides want the physical bag and be seen with it whether real or counterfeit. I personally do not understand either side.

My final take is that media almost always talks about Hermes quota bags with such fascination and awe while being disconnected from the reality. A 10k+ bag definitely is detached from reality, but constantly messing up the MSRP and perpetuating the myth of the decade long waitlist has created an entire new reality that has allowed people to turn to counterfeit while deepening the pockets of Hermes. At the end of the day, it seems like everyone wants a Birkin and Kelly no matter what it takes, which this article perfectly illustrates.
 
I skimmed the article, but read through the thread, and what stuck with me was the perceived "opportunity cost" of buying an authentic item instead of investing to these people. I thought this was particularly interesting in relation to how Hermes quota bags are continuously being pushed by media as an "investment pieces" that do "better" than gold and the S&P 500 over time. Even Chanel pieces with their insane price increases have been portrayed as bags that will greatly increase in value in the future. In that sense, the article was refreshing.

Those two perspectives counter one another, yet they are linked by the common desire to build wealth and make the best investments. These luxury bags in both cases are assessed for their investment potential rather than their utilitarian purpose. Speculation fuels both perspectives. Yet, both sides want the physical bag and be seen with it whether real or counterfeit. I personally do not understand either side.

My final take is that media almost always talks about Hermes quota bags with such fascination and awe while being disconnected from the reality. A 10k+ bag definitely is detached from reality, but constantly messing up the MSRP and perpetuating the myth of the decade long waitlist has created an entire new reality that has allowed people to turn to counterfeit while deepening the pockets of Hermes. At the end of the day, it seems like everyone wants a Birkin and Kelly no matter what it takes, which this article perfectly illustrates.
This is very well put.
 
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A friend of my father's gifted a fake B30 to me as a wedding gift.
At the time I had an idea about how hard it was to get a B/K/C so it felt quite odd that he would gift something like that as my dad and him only had business contact
After some research I notice that there weren't similar colour/HW combination and its missing its rain cover
I became very reluctant to take it out because I don't want to be carrying a fake bag
In my opinion if I can't afford the real thing I wouldn't even be getting a look-a-like design from another house, much less a fake
I just don't like that imposter vibe
In the end after an SA in Singapore told me it was not Hermes I gave it to a friend who didn't mind
 
A friend of my father's gifted a fake B30 to me as a wedding gift.
At the time I had an idea about how hard it was to get a B/K/C so it felt quite odd that he would gift something like that as my dad and him only had business contact
After some research I notice that there weren't similar colour/HW combination and its missing its rain cover
I became very reluctant to take it out because I don't want to be carrying a fake bag
In my opinion if I can't afford the real thing I wouldn't even be getting a look-a-like design from another house, much less a fake
I just don't like that imposter vibe
In the end after an SA in Singapore told me it was not Hermes I gave it to a friend who didn't mind
It is possible in some cases they didn’t even know that it is a dupe of a designer bag. I recall I was at a Greek street fair run by a nearby church when I was in college and I bought a cute clover necklace. I wore it for years without realizing it was modeled after Van Cleef. I didn’t even know there was a luxury brand which made clover shaped jewelry. I just thought it was cute. Now the memory embarrasses me.
 
It should be looked at this way.
You're not an idiot for paying $9k over the fake when you buy a real B/K.
The buyer of the real bag is paying for the luxury of having a lifetime of peace of mind, never worrying about being called out for a fake in public, and being confident that she will never be outted by her husband.
 
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It is possible in some cases they didn’t even know that it is a dupe of a designer bag. I recall I was at a Greek street fair run by a nearby church when I was in college and I bought a cute clover necklace. I wore it for years without realizing it was modeled after Van Cleef. I didn’t even know there was a luxury brand which made clover shaped jewelry. I just thought it was cute. Now the memory embarrasses me.
I thought the same thing as well. Since it’s a gift it’s the thought that counts really
 
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It should be looked at this way.
You're not an idiot for paying $9k over the fake when you buy a real B/K.
The buyer of the real bag is paying for the luxury of having a lifetime of peace of mind, never worrying about being called out for a fake in public, and being confident that she will never be outted by her husband.
Everyone values things differently. For example I think spending £7500 on my bag is much better than spending the same amount on dangerous cosmetic procedure to get a bigger butt. Bag shopping at H doesn’t have 1/3000 mortality rate :graucho:
 
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