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Have Rick Carlisle, Mavs given up on Lamar Odom?
By Jeff Caplan | ESPNDallas.com

MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- The Dallas Mavericks loved to brag on their team concept a year ago. They took the league by storm and the country latched on as they devoured the Lakers, Thunder and then the big, bad Heat.

Everyone was counted upon, everyone was needed, everyone showed up.

Saturday's box score shows why this team is different and limping toward the playoffs, if they even make it. Check the standings and the postseason is far from guaranteed. In a crucial game at Memphis, Dallas' rotation shrunk to a season-low. Yes, Jason Kidd (strained right groin) and Ian Mahinmi (fatherhood) weren't around for this one, but through this injury-marred season, when is the last time just seven Mavs played more than 20 minutes?

The chemistry that banded last season's team has never quite materialized with this one. Maybe when Kidd returns -- perhaps next week -- the offense will suddenly flow like wine, but that hasn't really been the case all season. Maybe one good win, and the next chance for that is Tuesday against Sacramento, is all this team needs for a jump start. Yet, every good game only seems to yield a clunker.

Saturday's 94-89 loss was a combination of both. Dallas, now 31-26, got routed in the opening quarter, trailing 26-6 after 11 minutes and 29-10 at the buzzer. After making 2-of-15 baskets in the first quarter, Dallas shot 55.2 percent the rest of the way, outrebounded Memphis and limited the Grizzlies to 38.8 percent shooting for the game -- numbers that typically win games.

Delonte West played 25 hard minutes on a bum left ankle and with a still-fragile, taped-up finger. Shawn Marion pulled down another double-double. Jason Terry played aggressively, collecting eight assists and 12 points. Brandan Wright went for 16 and six in 36 minutes. Dirk Nowitzki admittedly had one of his poorer games of the season, but he took a pounding for 36 minutes as Dallas desperately scraped to get back in a game they coughed away early.

"We had a lot of fighters out there tonight," Mavs coach Rick Carlisle said. "Going down the stretch here, that’s what it’s going to be about."

The Mavs just didn't have enough of them Saturday. And it appears the worst-kept secret of the season is now becoming painfully obvious. Any hope that Lamar Odom, who some consider to be a mandatory X-factor along with Rodrigue Beaubois (who continues to be madly inconsistent) for postseason success -- was suddenly going to flip the switch, is all but lost.

This night would have been the perfect chance for him to gain respect among his teammates, even at this late date, to help them grind out a needed victory. Yet his coach couldn't even stomach more than the four minutes Odom spent on the floor in the first quarter, low-lighted by an awkward layup attempt that didn't have a prayer and an offensive foul.

He played 11 minutes in Friday's embarrassing loss. That was supposed to be the game that Odom would begin to gain momentum. least that was the spin Carlisle put on it after Wednesday's big comeback win over the Grizzlies when Odom was so fatigued that he failed to box out his man early in the fourth quarter and was benched for the rest of the night. Coincidentally, Dallas then went on a 21-2 run to take charge of that game.

The silence regarding Odom's place on this team after this Grizzlies' loss, the Mavs' third in four games and second in a row, said all that needed to be said.

Carlisle, asked if there remains hope that Odom can provide anything for the team, said in a distant voice: "No Lamar questions tonight."

Nowitzki answered questions about the loss for four minutes, critical of his missed 3-pointer with a couple minutes to go and his two late turnovers. Then came the question about Odom, who had just finished getting dressed and walked out of the locker room to the team bus.

"I'm done talking about that," Nowitzki said as he turned away and ended the interview.

Even Odom was rendered speechless, a rarity for the 6-foot-10 forward. Regarding all his pine time Saturday, he tried to find words, then couldn't and finally shrugged his shoulders.

Asked if he's concerned that his role, or any role, is shrinking to nothingness, he said: "(Friday) night I didn’t play a lot, tonight same thing. At least there’s some consistency in that."

Odom tried to find an ounce of humor in the sad situation, but the reality is it appears Carlisle is done with the spin, done with the positive reinforcement and maybe even done putting Odom on the floor with nine games left that are so vital to the defending champs' postseason hopes in this strange, strange season.

"I can’t read it," Odom said of the immediate future. "It is what it is. What can I do? Coach is always right."

There was plenty of blame to go around for Saturday's loss. In the end, the Mavs did show pride, unwilling to go down with a whimper. Their fighters fought. They just didn't have enough.

"We've all got to play well, I think that’s obvious if we want to do something to make the playoffs or do some damage in the playoffs," Nowitzki said. "We all have to play at a high level. That’s what we did last year, we picked up some momentum, had everybody play well, defense and rebound. On offense, everybody shared the ball and played well together.

"That’s the only way we’re going to be able to do it this year. It’s not going to be one guy, it’s not going to be two guys. If we want to win, ultimately we’ve go to do it together and have everyone play at a high level. That’s the only way."
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Bzemom said:
It might tale away from her "I love Lamar, I am married, Lamar and khloe photo posting" time.
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:laugh: This will never ever not be funny.

YSoLovely said:
What's going on with Lamar? Only 3 minutes tonight... injured, still sick or just sucky?
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He can't still be sick? Unless sick is code for suck. :laugh:

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Woah, even Dirk sounds testy. Thats when you know it's bad. Honestly after that temporary much better effort for a game (or 2 ?) he went into suck again. When i found out he was sick i chalked it up to a bad game but he's i'm assuming better now + still sucks. I wish they would just bench him already. It's so pointless. Every game RC tosses him out there waits for him to do something + either keeps him in while he's sucking or pulls him after a few minutes. Neither is conducive to team chemistry + at this point hoping he's going to have a lightbulb moment is just stupidity.

The Mavs are clinging to the 7th seed right now. I'm not saying that's all Lamar's fault but he's not exactly helping. Try Yi or something else. They need an energy shot off the bench.

ETA: Khloe didn't tweet her usual Go team! Go Mavs tonight! How does she know in advance when Lamar's minutes will be limited because i feel like she does. :laugh: Does Lamar tell her i will not try tonight? I don't get it. It's not like RC will say hey Lamar i will only play you 4 minutes.


She only tweeted this 7 hours ago (around the time the game started i think)


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At least there’s some consistency in that."
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I think that is Lamar's way of being sarcastic about the inconsistencies within the team and RC coaching. There is no way he will ever be able to find his niche in a team like that, he is just not that kind of player. Even Olympics teams have consistent lineups.

It amazing that Lamar cannot make a mistake on the court. His mistakes become highlights for sure of an ESPN.com article. Yet, the mavs failed to score for the first 11 minutes of the game last night. I mean one bad play after another, yet other players gets to stay on the court and fight through their bad game. Dirk lost their last home game in OT because of a turnover on their last potentially game winning play.

It must be hard for Lamar to be able to see himself reduced to such a low level after the kind of career he has had, and great coaches who have entrusted in him to play ending game minutes.

Every game RC tosses him out there waits for him to do something + either keeps him in while he's sucking or pulls him after a few minutes. Neither is conducive to team chemistry + at this point hoping he's going to have a lightbulb moment is just stupidity.
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What are you talking about? This could be for every player on the team because no one is consistent. A players will eventually make a basket if they play 30+ minutes per game. Dirk is not even consistent. He can start a game and brick his first 5 shots but hes going to play his 35+ minutes so eventually he will get something going. JET can come off the bench and make stupid plays after another and he will still get his minutes, that goes for Jason Kidd too.

Lamar who usually comes in as the third guy off the bench cannot make a mistake even if the team is already playing badly and down by 15+ points. He is the ultimate scapegoat for this team and so unfair.

Try Yi or something else. They need an energy shot off the bench.
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Look at the box score, he gets some minutes in game but the results are usually the same a LOSS.
 
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Oruka said:
I think that is Lamar's way of being sarcastic about the inconsistencies within the team and RC coaching. There is no way he will ever be able to find his niche in a team like that, he is just not that kind of player. Even Olympics teams have consistent lineups.

It amazing that Lamar cannot make a mistake on the court. His mistakes become highlights for sure of an ESPN.com article. Yet, the mavs failed to score for the first 11 minutes of the game last night. I mean one bad play after another, yet other players gets to stay on the court and fight through their bad game. Dirk lost their last home game in OT because of a turnover on their last potentially game winning play.

It must be hard for Lamar to be able to see himself reduced to such a low level after the kind of career he has had, and great coaches who have entrusted in him to play ending game minutes.



What are you talking about? This could be for every player on the team because no one is consistent. A players will eventually make a basket if they play 30+ minutes per game. Dirk is not even consistent. He can start a game and brick his first 5 shots but hes going to play his 35+ minutes so eventually he will get something going. JET can come off the bench and make stupid plays after another and he will still get his minutes, that goes for Jason Kidd too.

Lamar who usually comes in as the third guy off the bench cannot make a mistake even if the team is already playing badly and down by 15+ points. He is the ultimate scapegoat for this team and so unfair.

Look at the box score, he gets some minutes in game but the results are usually the same a LOSS.
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My point is that if you have some guy who you don't know when they are going to actually try or not that is not conducive to team chemistry. I'm not talking about missed shots, i'm talking about effort. You have to trust that each one of your teammates will come into the game + play hard. There has to be some consistency in what they give you, whether it be #s and/or effort. No matter how many shorts Dirk or Jet miss (+ on aside they are far more consistent # wise than Lamar. Lamar has gotten 20 + minutes and he still is completely erratic. The reason his minutes are inconsistent now is bc he played like crap even when was getting 20+ minutes for a stretch of many games) you know that Dirk, etc will always try. They aren't going to be disinterested or not be "present". I know we differ on why he plays bad.

Lamar was given the time + minutes to fight through his bad games. He didn't do it + then he up and decided to leave the team randomly. He was given a huge rope by Carlisle that i have never seen him give to any other player his entire coaching career. Lamar has made 100's of mistakes + stayed in the game. It is only recently that RC has even cut his minutes. And it's not because of his #'s IMO. And kinda OT but RC is a great coach.

I'm in no way saying Lamar is responsible for the wins/losses on his own. I'm saying he is not helping the team win when he plays like this. There have been plenty of losses when he played more minutes + TBH maybe the fact that the Mavs win games when he plays has more to do with the fact that players get a break + aren't exhausted because he eats up those minutes. DAL rotation is very thin. And there are so many other variables (caliber opponent, etc)

This is not the organization or coaching staffs fault IMO. It's Lamars.
 
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Mavs are using Lamar as their scapegoat for sure. The team played horrible the first quarter missing shots and turnovers. Lamar missed one shot and called for one personal foul in the first quarter and he's out the rest of the game.

Well, this season can't be over soon enough. I'm sure every game they lose some how the twist will be Lamar's.
 
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