Yes, it's more like a true messenger. The price is lower, but kind of looks like a normal messenger. But not as fashionable as the BKR(J) heheSo glad. Some members on this thread posted that they purchased the sac Alfred. Perhaps they have action pics that might give you a sense of size as the Alfred is also east west messenger. Maybe around p 380 or so. But a search would pin it down further.![]()