Sad realization...

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It's interesting. . . I was thinking about this thread last night and wondering when we got so *hung up* on THE ring.

When my parents and my ILs and my grandparents were married, they were surprised with a basic engagement ring, and it was exciting, but not usually something flashy. It was a ring that *fit* with their stage in life, which was "just starting out."

My mom still wears her original, small diamond. My Dad is very successful now, but a few years ago, he and my mom simply had the original diamond reset in a beautiful setting, with two, small, matching, interesting, non-flashy side bands. My MIL got another stone, 2.5x the size the original stone, on her 25th anniversary (so not until she was in her late 40s) and a third stone, to make a 3-stone ring, on her 40th (so not until she was in her early 60s). But the original stone and her original, simple, wedding band are still part of what she wears.

Even ten years ago, when I was married, it was exciting to get your ring, but I don't feel like my friends (mostly successful businesswomen with successful husbands, many from the Ivy League, living in the big city) were so well informed about the *best* jewelers, the *best* cuts, the *best* size. It was just exciting to get a nice ring!

The most informed of the fiancés all went to diamond dealers for the best prices on the best stones, and brand names weren't really a factor. We didn't talk about Tacori or Tiffany or Cartier. I mean, looking back, I am pretty sure one friend's ring came from Tiffany and another from Cartier, but that wasn't the focus. If we talked about anything, it was more about how pretty the rings were, and what our fiancés looked for in stones when they went to the diamond dealers.

My ring was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen then. . . it probably isn't what I would pick if we were just getting engaged now. I would probably pick something slightly larger and more simply set.

We've talked about eventually upgrading. . . and yet. . . I am somehow disinclined to get rid of the original. I would most certainly reset with the original stone in a 3-stone design. . . and maybe not reset at all, but add a large eternity band. That ring symbolizes something about where we were in our lives at that time, and even though my tastes have changed a little, those are good memories. And 10 years in, brand names mean nothing. I wouldn't like it any more or less if it were from Tiffany or Cartier. My stone is beautiful b/c my husband picked it himself, based on his favorite of the 4Cs, and the ring is beautiful because we chose and modified it ourselves, at a *no name* goldsmith's shop.

Friends who have waited until later in life to get married all have larger (much larger) rings, many of them from places like Cartier. But that also says something about where they are in their lives-- older, more stable, more successful, more definitive in their tastes. Nothing wrong with it-- just like my ring reflects my life ten years ago, their rings reflect their lives now. IMO, your ring should be a little bit aspirational, of course, but not so much so that it has nothing to do with your current stage in life.
 
It's interesting. . . I was thinking about this thread last night and wondering when we got so *hung up* on THE ring.

When my parents and my ILs and my grandparents were married, they were surprised with a basic engagement ring, and it was exciting, but not usually something flashy. It was a ring that *fit* with their stage in life, which was "just starting out."

My mom still wears her original, small diamond. My Dad is very successful now, but a few years ago, he and my mom simply had the original diamond reset in a beautiful setting, with two, small, matching, interesting, non-flashy side bands. My MIL got another stone, 2.5x the size the original stone, on her 25th anniversary (so not until she was in her late 40s) and a third stone, to make a 3-stone ring, on her 40th (so not until she was in her early 60s). But the original stone and her original, simple, wedding band are still part of what she wears.

Even ten years ago, when I was married, it was exciting to get your ring, but I don't feel like my friends (mostly successful businesswomen with successful husbands, many from the Ivy League, living in the big city) were so well informed about the *best* jewelers, the *best* cuts, the *best* size. It was just exciting to get a nice ring!

The most informed of the fiancés all went to diamond dealers for the best prices on the best stones, and brand names weren't really a factor. We didn't talk about Tacori or Tiffany or Cartier. I mean, looking back, I am pretty sure one friend's ring came from Tiffany and another from Cartier, but that wasn't the focus. If we talked about anything, it was more about how pretty the rings were, and what our fiancés looked for in stones when they went to the diamond dealers.

My ring was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen then. . . it probably isn't what I would pick if we were just getting engaged now. I would probably pick something slightly larger and more simply set.

We've talked about eventually upgrading. . . and yet. . . I am somehow disinclined to get rid of the original. I would most certainly reset with the original stone in a 3-stone design. . . and maybe not reset at all, but add a large eternity band. That ring symbolizes something about where we were in our lives at that time, and even though my tastes have changed a little, those are good memories. And 10 years in, brand names mean nothing. I wouldn't like it any more or less if it were from Tiffany or Cartier. My stone is beautiful b/c my husband picked it himself, based on his favorite of the 4Cs, and the ring is beautiful because we chose and modified it ourselves, at a *no name* goldsmith's shop.

Friends who have waited until later in life to get married all have larger (much larger) rings, many of them from places like Cartier. But that also says something about where they are in their lives-- older, more stable, more successful, more definitive in their tastes. Nothing wrong with it-- just like my ring reflects my life ten years ago, their rings reflect their lives now. IMO, your ring should be a little bit aspirational, of course, but not so much so that it has nothing to do with your current stage in life.
I really like what you wrote !
 
It is easy to get caught up in all of this. There is society pressure. Even if people are not wealthy we all want nice things. I also think your views regarding this depends on where you live. I live in Boston and there are many people here who are not wealthy but have huge rocks ! People are always staring at and complimenting people on their rings, judging etc which isn't right but it is like a status thing I guess. Then there are other parts of the world esp europe australia etc where smaller diamonds are the norm. When it comes down to it it doesn't really matter but it is something that a lot of women find important. I think our families, mother and surroundings have a lot in dictating our feelings toward this very beautiful and material symbol of love and devotion but finding the right partner love , respect, partnership, caring is what is most important.
 
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I agree. I have an aquaintance from high school who just got engaged and got a giant ring. The first thing people started gossiping about was why she and her fiance, with a combined income don't break six figures, would spend that kind of money. Of course to her face, everyone said, "Wow, what a fabulous ring, you're so lucky, etc."

What people say and what people think are two different things. You have to get a ring that fits into your lifestyle. Otherwise, people will think it's just kind of bizarre and ridiculous.

For me, I don't have a lifestyle that justifies a 4 carat ring. So I don't see any point in dreaming about it. I think it IS totally fabulous for the women who do, however!

If the dream is just to have something from Tiffany, well, they make some very beautiful, more modest rings. Another friend of mine has a sterling silver band from Tiffany set with a single tiny diamond. But it's lovely and fits her just right.
 
I am not engaged yet but hope to be in a couple of years. My SO and I have been dating for years and we both work in finance so it was pretty realistic to get a pretty large e-ring. Now with the industry and economy in uncertainty, he is basically asking me if I would be happy with a smaller e-ring. While I would love a Harry Winston or Cartier, realistically I would like to end up with him no matter what. You should not worry so much about the ring. It is an object like money. People can make and lose money like nothing nowadays. I was reading an interesting article:
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2009/01/wall_street200901?currentPage=1

This article (a few pages in after all the financial stuff) basically went into details of how bankers had to sell everything they own and their wives were selling all their jewelry and clothes. It really puts things into perspective. You should always live within your means and not overspend. I read that you were considering making your promise ring your e-ring. I think that is a really cute idea. I am going to make the ring my SO gave me into possible and wedding band when the time comes. I can't picture myself ever taking off this ring (unless we break up ahha). So it might be cumbersome to have so many rings. You should just be happy with your SO and not focus on the materialistic aspects. There is no telling whether or not later on he will switch jobs or win the lotto :graucho:
 
Quite honestly, I would be OFFENDED if my future fiance bought a ring from Tiffany's! Tiffany's is a brand that has spent millions on clever marketing - that's it. They're really nothing special....most of the e-ring designs seem terribly boring to me - and if we're seeking to be 'special' by having an 'exclusive' brand....how special is it really to have a ring from what is essentially a multinational corporation?!

Also no one is going to be able to look at your e-ring and tell where it's from - so what is the point of the brand?! As long as the diamond is half decent, quality differences are very subtle from viewing just with the naked eye.

These kinds of forums are definitely not the most healthy to be on when you don't have much money - because the majority of people on here DO come from wealthy backgrounds or have wealthy partners....so for them they can afford all the designer goods. But the whole concept of 'brand' is all psychological (advertising taking advantage of you)...it's not really about better quality or design, so why let yourself get sucked into it?

Don't spend all your money on worthless material goods. Spend your money on creating a better quality of life for yourself and your hubby-to-be....for me personally, I find good food and wine, travel, a comfortable home, great friends and family, give so much more enjoyment than any material item I own!

:woohoo:

Fantastic post.
 
It's interesting. . . I was thinking about this thread last night and wondering when we got so *hung up* on THE ring.

When my parents and my ILs and my grandparents were married, they were surprised with a basic engagement ring, and it was exciting, but not usually something flashy. It was a ring that *fit* with their stage in life, which was "just starting out."

My mom still wears her original, small diamond. My Dad is very successful now, but a few years ago, he and my mom simply had the original diamond reset in a beautiful setting, with two, small, matching, interesting, non-flashy side bands. My MIL got another stone, 2.5x the size the original stone, on her 25th anniversary (so not until she was in her late 40s) and a third stone, to make a 3-stone ring, on her 40th (so not until she was in her early 60s). But the original stone and her original, simple, wedding band are still part of what she wears.

Even ten years ago, when I was married, it was exciting to get your ring, but I don't feel like my friends (mostly successful businesswomen with successful husbands, many from the Ivy League, living in the big city) were so well informed about the *best* jewelers, the *best* cuts, the *best* size. It was just exciting to get a nice ring!

The most informed of the fiancés all went to diamond dealers for the best prices on the best stones, and brand names weren't really a factor. We didn't talk about Tacori or Tiffany or Cartier. I mean, looking back, I am pretty sure one friend's ring came from Tiffany and another from Cartier, but that wasn't the focus. If we talked about anything, it was more about how pretty the rings were, and what our fiancés looked for in stones when they went to the diamond dealers.

My ring was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen then. . . it probably isn't what I would pick if we were just getting engaged now. I would probably pick something slightly larger and more simply set.

We've talked about eventually upgrading. . . and yet. . . I am somehow disinclined to get rid of the original. I would most certainly reset with the original stone in a 3-stone design. . . and maybe not reset at all, but add a large eternity band. That ring symbolizes something about where we were in our lives at that time, and even though my tastes have changed a little, those are good memories. And 10 years in, brand names mean nothing. I wouldn't like it any more or less if it were from Tiffany or Cartier. My stone is beautiful b/c my husband picked it himself, based on his favorite of the 4Cs, and the ring is beautiful because we chose and modified it ourselves, at a *no name* goldsmith's shop.

Friends who have waited until later in life to get married all have larger (much larger) rings, many of them from places like Cartier. But that also says something about where they are in their lives-- older, more stable, more successful, more definitive in their tastes. Nothing wrong with it-- just like my ring reflects my life ten years ago, their rings reflect their lives now. IMO, your ring should be a little bit aspirational, of course, but not so much so that it has nothing to do with your current stage in life.

I laugh at the bolded part, because other than tPF and maybe the PS forum or something, nobody I know EVER talks about the brand of the ring, the specs, etc. In the real world, VERY VERY VERY few people actually care about these things. Or at least that's been my personal experience. And until I got engaged, I didn't care either. Other than, "Oooh, my ring is pretty!" I still really don't care, and it doesn't matter to me how other people's rings look or where they came from or anything like that. When you get down to it, a lot of this stuff is pretty much meaningless.
 
I laugh at the bolded part, because other than tPF and maybe the PS forum or something, nobody I know EVER talks about the brand of the ring, the specs, etc. In the real world, VERY VERY VERY few people actually care about these things. Or at least that's been my personal experience. And until I got engaged, I didn't care either. Other than, "Oooh, my ring is pretty!" I still really don't care, and it doesn't matter to me how other people's rings look or where they came from or anything like that. When you get down to it, a lot of this stuff is pretty much meaningless.

I guess it depends on the crowd you run with... all my friends talk about this all the time!
 
^^^ Yes, my crowd really doesn't care about jewelry, although we do talk about shoes and bags and stuff. I guess that can be good...or bad. I mean, I know the specs of my ring and I know where the BF purchased it, but if I told anyone I know, they'd be like, "So?" And nobody's ever asked me about my ring's specs at all, except for a cousin. She just asked me if it was a full carat, and then frowned. None of the married or engaged friends have giant rings, and this includes myself. We all either have smaller, modest rings or no rings at all. Or they wear simulants. I always thought that it was because they just don't care about jewelry, but I guess it could be for other reasons as well.
 
I think a lot of the reason that Tiffany diamonds look so good is the lighting in the stores. Once, I took my diamond in and compared it to a Tiffany ring and my diamond looked sooo much better. Even the SA had to admit it. The other thing I find with Tiffany diamonds is that they are often very low K, L, M on the color scale and I didn't want to go that low. ( I think my minimum would be a G). I have an F. (I think).


I understand you wanting your dream ring and all. I am not going to lay a big guilt trip on you about that but I frankly think, if you can't afford it, you are going to have to find another way to be happy. I am sorry but I wouldn't touch a diamond ring on Ebay with a 10 foot pole, unless it was sold by someone like Signed Pieces. You are just asking to get taken doing that.

To me, a diamond is something that must be seen in person before purchasing. I bought mine from an online retailer but it had a return policy so I had so many days if I didn't love it. Also, this particular online retailer was HIGHLY recommended over and over again. That is the ONLY way I would buy anything on line. There are so many ways you can save money on a ring that is just as nice as a Tiffany's ring. I recommend that you check out Pricescope.com. There are endless threads about Tiffany's (whether it is worth the premium or not) and you can get educated and maybe get the exact ring that you want for 1/3 less of the cost.

Good luck.
 
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Allison, Tiffany uses diamonds that low on the color scale? I had no idea. Is that really true? I thought G would be the lowest they'd go.

Nope. You're down there. Check it out sometime. I will bet you that if you go in and ask to look at a few, they will all be K's and L's. AND, you have to get the ring. You can't pick out a diamond there and set it elsewhere.
 
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