I checked out the Carlyle in store a week or so ago and just received the brick Grommet Duffle (ordered from Nordstrom) and the leather on the duffle does seem to be a bit thicker than Carlyle. Not as thick as the Legacy's cornered duffles but definitely worth a looksee. I'm not sure if its love for me either (the leather quality and thickness is very nice but I'm not sure how I feel about the shape and it's VERY droopy).