REAL Native American Jewelry~

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I've already posted a fair amount of my Native American goodies on the Show Me the Turquoise thread,
http://forum.purseblog.com/the-jewelry-box/show-me-the-turquoise-768873-9.html

and want to recommend it for those who haven't found it yet. I'm a collector of natural (often now obsolete) American turquoise, plus silver/coral/Zuni inlay/etc. A lot of antique/vintage, some contemporary if the quality is high.

Waiting for a major necklace to arrive this week, so I'll try to post it. NA material has been a longtime obsession for me.:D

A favorite of mine:
Jaw dropping, mind blowing, fabulicious cuff :nuts::nuts:
 
That's a neat site. I have two hallmarks books that I refer to a lot when looking at things from modern-era makers. Of course, the oldest (rare and valuable) Indian jewelry isn't hallmarked or stamped for silver content.

There are a lot of fine makers. My Zuni coral cluster bracelet was by a master, who died in the early 2000s. Her daughter is very active today and also doing amazing work. Here's a bolo in our collection by the daughter. (The tie cord is full length of course, just showing the turquoise parts)
Please share a modeling shot. A bolero is my next piece to buy.
 

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Your charts are the bomb, wow!!! I was able to diagnose all my stones based on your information. I can't thank you enough.

Hey look at the singer's jewelry, very cute video too :)

 
Please share a modeling shot. A bolero is my next piece to buy.

Hi Susie,

Thanks for your enthusiasm.:smile1: I don't post pics of myself online, so the pretties will have to do all the speaking on their own. Bolo ties are interesting. I don't wear them yet, but DH does--he also has a fine collection of special Indian pieces, so it's nice to share this mania.:p
 
Hi Susie,

Thanks for your enthusiasm.:smile1: I don't post pics of myself online, so the pretties will have to do all the speaking on their own. Bolo ties are interesting. I don't wear them yet, but DH does--he also has a fine collection of special Indian pieces, so it's nice to share this mania.:p

Totally understand. I think these artifacts would make tremendous necklaces for a woman.
 
^Most definitely agree. I've seen them worn by gals and it looks really cool. I've been enjoying your pieces here too, S!

l'll try to find something interesting to add here soon.:smile1:
 
My coral cuff is stamped Mark Yazzie in script with Sterling stamped underneath that. Is this one of the famous family of artists? I have an equally large turquoise cuff with just a T stamped above the sterling stamp.
 
I found a couple of pics that may help you identify your stone, they are turquoise charts. Also there is a website that has sample pics too. IHTH!!:flowers:

http://www.durangosilver.com/turquoise-colors.html

http://www.alltribes.com/kcenter/types-of-turquoise.html



Thank you so much Julide for the links and charts! I had no idea that turquoise differed that much based upon where it was mined. Although that would make sense, wouldn't it? Sorta looks like my pendant might have a stone from one of the Mexican mine, as it has so much green. So very interesting! Thank you again for the links!
 
There's an awful lot to know before you can make a totally firm judgment on where your turquoise comes from, if you're only going by pictures and not handling in person and a professional dealer hasn't guaranteed its origins. For example, some mines yield both blue and green stones. Some originally blue turquoise can now look green, from change over time. You also have to have a good understanding of matrix (the host rock that you see mixed in with the turquoise). The color and pattern of matrix are important indicators of the origin. In addition, you need to know a bit about the mining side of it: several of the legendary American turquoise mines have long been exhausted, so you won't see the material from them too often. Some mines have been opened much more recently--a 1970s pendant, for example, can't have a stone that could be mined only from 1990 onward. And so on.

Then, finally, there's the huge influx of Chinese turquoise, especially spiderweb, which is pretty and can be high grade (depending), but most of it is lower grade that just looks like the expensive American stuff.

Complicated!
 
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There's an awful lot to know before you can make a totally firm judgment on where your turquoise comes from, if you're only going by pictures and not handling in person and a professional dealer hasn't guaranteed its origins. For example, some mines yield both blue and green stones. Some originally blue turquoise can now look green, from change over time. You also have to have a good understanding of matrix (the host rock that you see mixed in with the turquoise). The color and pattern of matrix are important indicators of the origin. In addition, you need to know a bit about the mining side of it: several of the legendary American turquoise mines have long been exhausted, so you won't see the material from them too often. Some mines have been opened much more recently--a 1970s pendant, for example, can't have a stone that could be mined only from 1990 onward. And so on.

Then, finally, there's the huge influx of Chinese turquoise, especially spiderweb, which is pretty and can be high grade (depending), but most of it is lower grade that just looks like the expensive American stuff.

Complicated!


JellyV That is complicated! I apologize I didn't realize there was such an influx of faux or enhanced turquoise. This sounds more complicated than diamond grading. What would you suggest that would help in identify a turquoise stone.

On another note, I did some research into books and found a couple. Have you heard of them?

Hallmarks of the southwest by Barton Wright

Southwest Silver Jewelry by Paula Baxter

American Indian Jewelry by Gregory Schaaf

Thanks again for the information on turquoise stones.:flowers:
 
There's an awful lot to know before you can make a totally firm judgment on where your turquoise comes from, if you're only going by pictures and not handling in person and a professional dealer hasn't guaranteed its origins. For example, some mines yield both blue and green stones. Some originally blue turquoise can now look green, from change over time. You also have to have a good understanding of matrix (the host rock that you see mixed in with the turquoise). The color and pattern of matrix are important indicators of the origin. In addition, you need to know a bit about the mining side of it: several of the legendary American turquoise mines have long been exhausted, so you won't see the material from them too often. Some mines have been opened much more recently--a 1970s pendant, for example, can't have a stone that could be mined only from 1990 onward. And so on.

Then, finally, there's the huge influx of Chinese turquoise, especially spiderweb, which is pretty and can be high grade (depending), but most of it is lower grade that just looks like the expensive American stuff.

Complicated!
Totally, just like purses you need to get your wares from a repeatable dealer. There's all kinds of tell tale signs to peruse down to the clasp (which can be faked as well) but that's just one note to read (among any)...

Here's an old pawn necklace with some artisan jewelry mixed in...(the necklace has a tail in the back, secured, so I could sport a chocker effect)..
 

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There's an awful lot to know before you can make a totally firm judgment on where your turquoise comes from, if you're only going by pictures and not handling in person and a professional dealer hasn't guaranteed its origins. For example, some mines yield both blue and green stones. Some originally blue turquoise can now look green, from change over time. You also have to have a good understanding of matrix (the host rock that you see mixed in with the turquoise). The color and pattern of matrix are important indicators of the origin. In addition, you need to know a bit about the mining side of it: several of the legendary American turquoise mines have long been exhausted, so you won't see the material from them too often. Some mines have been opened much more recently--a 1970s pendant, for example, can't have a stone that could be mined only from 1990 onward. And so on.

What interesting information! Thank you for posting it. I had no idea that blue turquoise can turn green over time.

Some years back, the US news show Dateline NBC did an investigative segment on buying turquoise jewelry. They went to Santa Fe and purchased a wide variety of "American Indian" jewelry from both the famous jewelry market and from high-end jewelers in the area. Then they tested it to see if the stones were really turquoise. Most of it was not. Including an uber-pricey bracelet that a high-end jewelry store insisted was "dead pawn."

They claimed that one can only tell for certain that a stone is real turquoise if you try to burn it. Real turquoise burns. Faux-turquoise resins do not. They melt like you would expect plastics to melt.

They also showed how jewelry makers can buy bags of faux-turquoise resin at craft stores and by simply adding water to the powder can stir up something that looks indistinguishable from real turquoise.

I look at some of the "Indian" jewelry in my jewelry box that I bought on ebay over the years and honestly some does look like plastic. And it does seem like questionable sellers--you know, that guy in Minnesota who's sold dozens of "dead pawn" kachina necklaces that all look the same, and have no markings but he claims they are all probably sterling--have proliferated.

But turquoise is my favorite color (I'm still looking for the perfect pale turquoise nail polish, in case anyone can recommend one), so I wear the probably-fake stuff nonetheless.
 
rquoise stone.

On another note, I did some research into books and found a couple. Have you heard of them?

Hallmarks of the southwest by Barton Wright

Southwest Silver Jewelry by Paula Baxter

American Indian Jewelry by Gregory Schaaf

Yes, those are great resources. I have a big library on NA jewelry and those are in there. One of my fave books is called North American Indian Jewelry and Adornment by Lois Sherr Dubin--it covers all sorts of Indian things, not only from the Southwest.
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Susie, your last pic was so cool. I love the way you create a look mixing turquoise with other artisan pieces.:tup: It's what you see in old pics of Navajos too, as you've posted--the vintage photos show a great jumble. I have limits on doing that because I can't tolerate too much weight on the neck...wonder how Ms. Iris manages that!
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Sue, yes, there's sadly a lot of fraud in the selling of turquoise, has been for decades. And probably even longer.
 
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