Pope Benedict XVI Passes Away

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#31
limom said:
I have always heard horror stories about Pious . He actively collaborated.
Pope John appears like he deserves to get the title of “righteous ”. If he would have been caught, he would have faced the ultimate punishment.
To get back to Joseph, imo his entire life he made the wrong decisions.
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Quick one, may I suggest this play “The Deputy” by Rolf Hochhuth?
Is a very critical view of Pious and has interesting characters like Kurt Gerstein

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Rolf Hochhuth, playwright who challenged the Vatican’s WWII legacy, dies at 89

Rolf Hochhuth, whose drama "The Deputy," inspired reappraisal of Pope Pius XII's record on the Shoah, died at 89.
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#32
pukasonqo said:
Quick one, may I suggest this play “The Deputy” by Rolf Hochhuth?
Is a very critical view of Pious and has interesting characters like Kurt Gerstein

forward.com

Rolf Hochhuth, playwright who challenged the Vatican’s WWII legacy, dies at 89

Rolf Hochhuth, whose drama "The Deputy," inspired reappraisal of Pope Pius XII's record on the Shoah, died at 89.
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Thank you. I will look for the play.
I was raised by/around people who lived thru those times. They knew.
Even after the reconciliation with Germany, they did not mince their words.
In my family, we had some collaborated, those who resisted and those who simply did the best they could under the circumstances.
Plus, those who did not come back.
The gatherings were interesting.
 
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#33
Methinks the funeral of Pope Benedict XVI is the topic of this thread.
And not Pope Pius XII

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So, may I quote:

Pope Francis paid tribute to his predecessor former Pope Benedict XVI Thursday, in a funeral attended by tens of thousands of mourners at St. Peter’s Square.

The event marked the first occasion in modern times that a pontiff had presided over the funeral of his predecessor – and the first ever of one who resigned. Benedict, the first pontiff in almost 600 years to resign his position, rather than hold office for life, died aged 95 on December 31 at a monastery in Vatican City.

It was an occasion characterized by simplicity, as per the wish of the former pope. “It’s difficult to have a simple service in St. Peter’s Square, but I think it was,” Father James Martin, a Jesuit priest, writer and editor, told CNN’s Max Foster and Bianca Nobilo on CNN Newsroom.
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Pope Francis leads funeral for predecessor Benedict XVI, a first in modern times | CNN

Pope Francis paid tribute to his predecessor former Pope Benedict XVI Thursday, in a funeral attended by tens of thousands of mourners at St. Peter's Square.
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Does anybody watch the ceremony?
Did anybody watch the ceremony?

Or are you still pre-occupied with Pius XII?
Or Alexander VI?
Or some such Borgia popes?

:)
 
#38
The NYT has a lengthy article on the funeral. It was quite interesting and had many photos. Some people resented that the homily was too generic, like it could have been for anybody. Another pointed out that Pope Benedict was a humble man and wouldn't have minded. Many Germans attended in traditional costume.
 
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#42
limom said:
Germany just condemned a 97 years old woman who was a juvenile at the time and a mere secretary.
Why the double standards?
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I think it is fairly obvious (the well named) Rat blackmailed his way to the top so if he was taking a fall a whole house of cards was going with him.

The grim achievement of it all in a how high he managed to get.

I do find it incredibly cognitive dissonant how my in-laws who I really like and respect are passionate Catholics and yet it’s an organisation with such well known examples of incredible depths of evil. I mean I lost faith in Oxfam for far less :shocked:
 
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#43
jelliedfeels said:
Didn’t a few people say that at Nuremberg?
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That is an altogether different field.
I suggest you inform yourself better about that youth organization.

Again:

As I said: He did not join this youth group of his own free will.
Membership was automatical for all from a certain age on.
So what you really accuse him of here is about the date of his birthday.

jelliedfeels said:
but he shouldn’t have been handed a PR op for an ex N@zi it would be nice for a church to have some standards.
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Joseph Ratzinger never was a Nazi.
Get yourself informed better.

rose60610 said:
Many Germans attended in traditional costume.
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Probably Bavarian Germans, then. :)

tinybutterfly said:
Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord,
and let Your perpetual light shine upon him.
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed
rest in peace.
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Good words!

Amen! :)

Chanbal said:
I'm not defending Benedict, he doesn't need that. However, he was virtually a kid when he was forced to join the H*tler Youth and then the German antiaircraft corps, which he ended up deserting. It is my understanding that his family opposed the Naz*s.
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You say so absolutely correctly.
Joseph Ratzinger came from an anti-Nazi family, he himself was an anti-Nazi, and membership in that youth organization was automatical from a certain age on.
 
#44
Traminer said:
That is an altogether different field.
I suggest you inform yourself better about that youth organization.

Again:

As I said: He did not join this youth group of his own free will.
Membership was automatical for all from a certain age on.
So what you really accuse him of here is about the date of his birthday.
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I think it’s very patronising of you to assume that my being ignorant is the reason I condemn him. I have as much right to decide whether I find his past to be as morally reprehensible as you do.

We’re also not touched on the whole child abuse scandal- he at least was certainly an adult by then.

I think if there’s a hell he’s getting bifurcated by red hot pokers while Rupaul plays on a constant loop.

Also, the Borgias comment is more than a little glib. An entire ethnicity is not still reeling from their catastrophic depopulation due to ww2.

Also at the very least the Borgias had decent taste in art- modern Catholic art is so horrifically kitsch it would be in the discount rack of Lisa Frank.
 
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jelliedfeels said:
I think it is fairly obvious (the well named) Rat blackmailed his way to the top so if he was taking a fall a whole house of cards was going with him.

The grim achievement of it all in a how high he managed to get.

I do find it incredibly cognitive dissonant how my in-laws who I really like and respect are passionate Catholics and yet it’s an organisation with such well known examples of incredible depths of evil. I mean I lost faith in Oxfam for far less :shocked:
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It is a way to cope with life, network and socialize in my family. J/S
 
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