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As requested, this thread is now the official Help I.D. Hermes leather, color and design thread. Cheers!



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Hello,

I’m new to the forum. I bought an evelyne I in ebene from a reputable reseller. It was an impulse buy and the listing said it’s Gulliver. I am only familiar with Togo, chèvre, Ardennes, box, and courchevel so I had no clue. It’s a D so it’s 2000 and from what I’ve read Gulliver was discontinued in 1999 so I asked the reseller who took a look at it again and said that they think it actually maybe barenia but can’t be absolutely certain. I just got the bag yesterday and it looks great. I then read that all barenia bags ate blindstamped and not heatstamped. I just sent the reseller another email.

Does anyone have an idea what leather this really is?

Thanks so much!!

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purseobsessed11 said:
Hello,

I’m new to the forum. I bought an evelyne I in ebene from a reputable reseller. It was an impulse buy and the listing said it’s Gulliver. I am only familiar with Togo, chèvre, Ardennes, box, and courchevel so I had no clue. It’s a D so it’s 2000 and from what I’ve read Gulliver was discontinued in 1999 so I asked the reseller who took a look at it again and said that they think it actually maybe barenia but can’t be absolutely certain. I just got the bag yesterday and it looks great. I then read that all barenia bags ate blindstamped and not heatstamped. I just sent the reseller another email.

Does anyone have an idea what leather this really is?

Thanks so much!!

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Gulliver was not discontinued in 1999, this seems to be quite a common misconception. Based on bag’s heat stamp and some other factors, I feel rather confident in saying that this leather is not barenia (barenia ebene). Could very well be gulliver.
 
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r luvs h said:
Gulliver was not discontinued in 1999, this seems to be quite a common misconception. Based on bag’s heat stamp and some other factors, I feel rather confident in saying that this leather is not barenia (barenia ebene). Could very well be gulliver.
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Thanks so much for your input, @r luvs h. I wonder what the reseller will say. I’ve bought quite a few designer items from them in the past and they’ve been spot on. When I mentioned about the gulliver being discontinued in 1999 based on what everything I read online about it as I’m unfamiliar with that leather, that’s when they said they think it’s Barenia but couldn’t say with 100% certainty being an older leather.

When did Hermes actually stop producing Gulliver then? Thanks again for your help.
 
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purseobsessed11 said:
Thanks so much for your input, @r luvs h. I wonder what the reseller will say. I’ve bought quite a few designer items from them in the past and they’ve been spot on. When I mentioned about the gulliver being discontinued in 1999 based on what everything I read online about it as I’m unfamiliar with that leather, that’s when they said they think it’s Barenia but couldn’t say with 100% certainty being an older leather.

When did Hermes actually stop producing Gulliver then? Thanks again for your help.
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Yeah, unfortunately a lot of websites get dates/data wrong because they all copy info (sometimes false info) from one another. One such example of Gulliver being used after 1999 is in the 1st edition of the Kelly Quelle Idole “Doll” bags, which I believe were first released in 2000. As you may know, Gulliver was the predecessor to Swift leather. I’m not exactly sure when the switch happened, but I’ve heard estimates between 2002 and 2006, so likely somewhere in between there. Always happy to help :)
 
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r luvs h said:
Yeah, unfortunately a lot of websites get dates/data wrong because they all copy info (sometimes false info) from one another. One such example of Gulliver being used after 1999 is in the 1st edition of the Kelly Quelle Idole “Doll” bags, which I believe were first released in 2000. As you may know, Gulliver was the predecessor to Swift leather. I’m not exactly sure when the switch happened, but I’ve heard estimates between 2002 and 2006, so likely somewhere in between there. Always happy to help :smile:
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Thanks again, @r luvs h. I noticed that. So many websites have the same exact info copied and pasted. I’ve read Swift was released in 2006? So then my thought was that if H discontinued it truly in 1999, how can there be one in 2010 like mine. I then assumed that nothing was in circulation at all after 1999 until H released Swift in 2006. I’m so confused hahaha. It makes sense if they discontinued it in 1999 but then continued to make bags with whatever materials they have left until the official switch to Swift in 2006 or maybe 2002 as you mentioned. I’m really confused. Thanks so much for your patience.
 
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purseobsessed11 said:
Thanks again, @r luvs h. I noticed that. So many websites have the same exact info copied and pasted. I’ve read Swift was released in 2006? So then my thought was that if H discontinued it truly in 1999, how can there be one in 2010 like mine. I then assumed that nothing was in circulation at all after 1999 until H released Swift in 2006. I’m so confused hahaha. It makes sense if they discontinued it in 1999 but then continued to make bags with whatever materials they have left until the official switch to Swift in 2006 or maybe 2002 as you mentioned. I’m really confused. Thanks so much for your patience.
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No worries, I totally understand the confusion! I know the reason Gulliver was discontinued had to do with the passing of the tannery’s owner. And you bring up a good point— while it may be true that Hermès no longer received new Gulliver leather from the tannery after 1999 (though I doubt this), it is not true that Gulliver was discontinued that same year. Suffice to say, I think your bag could certainly be Gulliver. When you receive the bag, you should be able to tell pretty easily what leather it is. Gulliver is a very buttery, robust leather (swift isn’t nearly as robust). Barenia is generally heavier than Gulliver, and it wears very differently. The patina will be very different. Hope this clarifies some things!
 
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I saw this limited edition bag in Short Hills not too long ago, loved it and bought it. Wore it many times over the spring & summer. But I don’t know the name of the bag The box was labeled “Document”. All my other boxes have the complete name, color, etc. if I search “Document” on the H website all I-see is a pouch like envelope. I feel pretty silly asking, but someone asked me what it was and my SA is on vacation and unavailable.
Can you help me out?

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r luvs h said:
No worries, I totally understand the confusion! I know the reason Gulliver was discontinued had to do with the passing of the tannery’s owner. And you bring up a good point— while it may be true that Hermès no longer received new Gulliver leather from the tannery after 1999 (though I doubt this), it is not true that Gulliver was discontinued that same year. Suffice to say, I think your bag could certainly be Gulliver. When you receive the bag, you should be able to tell pretty easily what leather it is. Gulliver is a very buttery, robust leather (swift isn’t nearly as robust). Barenia is generally heavier than Gulliver, and it wears very differently. The patina will be very different. Hope this clarifies some things!
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Thank you so much, @r luvs h. You are such a wealth of information. I already have the bag. It is so buttery soft but doesn’t feel fragile. Love the feel of it. Thanks so much again!
 
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PamW said:
I saw this limited edition bag in Short Hills not too long ago, loved it and bought it. Wore it many times over the spring & summer. But I don’t know the name of the bag The box was labeled “Document”. All my other boxes have the complete name, color, etc. if I search “Document” on the H website all I-see is a pouch like envelope. I feel pretty silly asking, but someone asked me what it was and my SA is on vacation and unavailable.
Can you help me out?

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I used Google Lens & it said:

Toile Swift Record Bag 78 Bleu Marine​

 
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