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Hi kewave, these look absolutely gorgeous on you! Wanted to ask how you liked the 6 prong martinis vs the previous 4 prong basket setting. Is it more comfortable?

Is there noticeable size difference? And how does it sit on your ear compared the previous setting? I am considering studs of similar size and curious how you like yours!

I don’t think there’s significant difference in terms of comfort between my martini and basket settings. I just prefer 6 prongs to make the RB diamonds look rounder. To make the diamond sits well and faces up on the earlobe, the big backing is key not the prong settings.
Of course I love mine and wear them a lot. But it’s definitely quite out there and not as discreet as my other smaller studs, the latter is also less noticeable to the wearer and more comfortable but I haven’t worn those since I got my big ones.
 
I don’t think there’s significant difference in terms of comfort between my martini and basket settings. I just prefer 6 prongs to make the RB diamonds look rounder. To make the diamond sits well and faces up on the earlobe, the big backing is key not the prong settings.
Of course I love mine and wear them a lot. But it’s definitely quite out there and not as discreet as my other smaller studs, the latter is also less noticeable to the wearer and more comfortable but I haven’t worn those since I got my big ones.

Thanks for the info! That’s super helpful. Do you end up wearing your new studs almost everyday or only during special occasions? I’d love to get a pair this size but not sure if it’s worth the $$ unless I’m wearing them everyday. Wondering how practical they are for daily wear...please post a mod shot whenever you have a moment! Would love to see them on if possible!
 
It’s my go to pair with no need for consideration of what outfit I put on, I wear it at least 3 times a wk, it’s definitely not reserved for only special occasion. I’m too lazy to take mod shot but I’m sure you can search & find some photos in this forum.
 
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For the size of those, I'd go with a 6 prong, but if that's not an option, I'd go 4 if they have a martini style. In your ear, they're not going to look square or triangular if the prongs are small and clawwed off well.

I absolutely agree with larger backings.

Hi Ame! I’ve been following a lot of your advice through it the diamond threads and your input has been extremely valuable.

I am also on the lookout for diamond studs between 1.8 and 2ct (per ear).

I’ve been browsing through James Allen and Whiteflash, and wanted to ask how big the difference between an excellent cut vs ideal cut (hearts and arrows) is in real life. Wondering if it’s worth sacrificing a couple points (2 to 1.7 carats) per ear to upgrade to a hearts and arrow diamond. I would obviously love to get 4ctw per ear but also want to be mindful of the fire and sparkle factor for the stone as well.

Also any input on getting gia vs ags graded stone?

Thanks for your help!!
 
Hi Ame! I’ve been following a lot of your advice through it the diamond threads and your input has been extremely valuable.

I am also on the lookout for diamond studs between 1.8 and 2ct (per ear).

I’ve been browsing through James Allen and Whiteflash, and wanted to ask how big the difference between an excellent cut vs ideal cut (hearts and arrows) is in real life. Wondering if it’s worth sacrificing a couple points (2 to 1.7 carats) per ear to upgrade to a hearts and arrow diamond. I would obviously love to get 4ctw per ear but also want to be mindful of the fire and sparkle factor for the stone as well.

Also any input on getting gia vs ags graded stone?

Thanks for your help!!

Hi - I'm not ame- but just wanted to clarify Hearts and Arrows is not a synonym for Ideal cut. A stone can be ideal cut or even super ideal cut without being H/A. The 2 just happen to go hand in hand because most cutters who are shooting for super ideal, go the extra mile to try to align the facets to get H/A phenomena. H/A is a visual artifact of well planned faceting, whereas ideal cuts refer to the proportions of the stone itself (ie- the crown angle, pavilion angle, depth and table size) and how well those work together to make the stone sparkle at its maximum.

AGS grades light performance ( 0 0 0 stones) and GIA you will have to weed out the crummy ones on your own by looking at XXX stone proportions and making sure they fall in ideal range.
 
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Hi - I'm not ame- but just wanted to clarify Hearts and Arrows is not a synonym for Ideal cut. A stone can be ideal cut or even super ideal cut without being H/A. The 2 just happen to go hand in hand because most cutters who are shooting for super ideal, go the extra mile to try to align the facets to get H/A phenomena. H/A is a visual artifact of well planned faceting, whereas ideal cuts refer to the proportions of the stone itself (ie- the crown angle, pavilion angle, depth and table size) and how well those work together to make the stone sparkle at its maximum.

AGS grades light performance ( 0 0 0 stones) and GIA you will have to weed out the crummy ones on your own by looking at XXX stone proportions and making sure they fall in ideal range.

Very helpful! Didn’t know you could be super ideal without the H&A. Would you recommend finding stones with both AGS and GIA grading for stones this size or should AGS be sufficient?
 
Very helpful! Didn’t know you could be super ideal without the H&A. Would you recommend finding stones with both AGS and GIA grading for stones this size or should AGS be sufficient?

I'm sorry this is so long...if you asked in Pricescope though, the thread would go on for several pages....so think of this as the synopsis of the answers you would get there... :smile:

You could honestly do either one. Percentage-wise there are a lot more (a whole lot more) stones out there that have GIA certs because it is the biggest lab with the farthest reach. Downside is you are going to probably have to do all the grunt work on your own (running numbers and viewing stones) because GIA XXX is a fairly wide range, and just because it makes GIA XXX does not put it automatically in AGS Ideal parameters (proportions). You could consider Ideal parameters a small subset of GIA XXX. Now, I think (but would have to check) that AGS 000 stones most often (I suspect there are some borderline cases with them as well, but don't know) will fall in Ideal parameters. Since AGS grades on light performance and 000 is the best there is, most of the Ideal/Super Ideal cut vendors (eg- Whiteflash, Brian Gavin, August Vintage/Good Old Gold, Crafted by Infinity, Victor Canera...etc...) use AGS for stone cert. But note they are all in the US, and that is where AGS is located so I think that is mainly why you see AGS certs here and not elsewhere. They've done all the work for you on their in house stones (their "brand" stones) so you don't have to. If they've put their laser mark on it, you already know it s good.

If you are in the US, my suggestion would be to go with either Whiteflash or I think also CBI (Winks brand) as they have the absolutely easiest upgrade policy. Basically, just spend more money...no double this, no improve on that...just spend more. But, I also think that Jonathon (of Good Old Gold now his own brand August Vintage) may have both GIA and AGS certs stones. The big bonus with Jonathon is that he is a real trail blazer and has been cutting Lab diamonds in Ideal specs, and so they cost less because they are lab created (ie- real diamond material, grown in a lab not a synthetic) but I do not know his current upgrade policy but also have been vetted by him for performance.

Now, the branded ideal/super ideal cuts are going to cost more than Blue Nile or James Allen, but all the grunt work has been done. So if your goal carat size is out of budget, do it in parts. So, my suggestion is if you go with WF or CBI, get something in your current budget if it is too small to reach your goal size/weight, knowing you will be trading up to a larger size when you can. The most you lose is any sales tax and possibly the setting cost if you are in their state because you get to apply the entire purchase price to the upgrade.

Sorry it was so long! To me, a diamond purchase should take some thought, just as you would when considering a really expensive purse, or a car....

And you absolutely can have a stone that hits AGS 000 without it being branded H/A (since H/A is symmetry and not light performance). Here's my (current) stone, a Brian Gavin Blue (fluorescent line- I love fluo!) branded stone. I have no idea if it makes H/A symmetry as I've never seen it unset. It would need to be face down to view the hearts and was not marketed or sold as H/A but it is a branded Ideal/Super Ideal stone:

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I found it finally, comments on H/A versus Super Ideal. From Karl K ( a diamond designer....)

"It is really complex and there are differences in opinion and details.
But no being h&a doesn't make a diamond super-ideal and not all super-ideal diamonds are h&a.
For example a diamond could have good grade lab symmetry and good grade polish and be h&a.
H&A is both high optical symmetry and with in certain proportion sets.
There are other proportion sets that can be considered super-ideal and are highly optically symmetrical but not be h&a because the patterns formed are not h&a, for example have clefts in the hearts due to longer lower girdle facets than allowed for h&a."

Original convo below. I gave up after page 3.... :lol: but page 3 has some very important discussion by John Pollard (diamond designer) and Karl K.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/what-makes-a-diamond-ideal-super-ideal.234434/
 
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I found it finally, comments on H/A versus Super Ideal. From Karl K ( a diamond designer....)

"It is really complex and there are differences in opinion and details.
But no being h&a doesn't make a diamond super-ideal and not all super-ideal diamonds are h&a.
For example a diamond could have good grade lab symmetry and good grade polish and be h&a.
H&A is both high optical symmetry and with in certain proportion sets.
There are other proportion sets that can be considered super-ideal and are highly optically symmetrical but not be h&a because the patterns formed are not h&a, for example have clefts in the hearts due to longer lower girdle facets than allowed for h&a."

Original convo below. I gave up after page 3.... :lol: but page 3 has some very important discussion by John Pollard (diamond designer) and Karl K.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/what-makes-a-diamond-ideal-super-ideal.234434/

Wow, thank you so much for that thorough and detailed explanation! Looks like I’ll be mainly going for AGS certification now that I know exactly what it means. And so good to know that vendors like WF will let me use 100% of the purchase price towards any upgrades.

Btw i absolutely love fluorescent diamonds as well! Your ring is stunning! I would love to find a pair of earrings with some blue but I highly doubt that I’ll be able to find a matching pair *cross fingers* with all the other specs that I would want.

Thank you so much again bunnycat!!
 
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Wow, thank you so much for that thorough and detailed explanation! Looks like I’ll be mainly going for AGS certification now that I know exactly what it means. And so good to know that vendors like WF will let me use 100% of the purchase price towards any upgrades.

Btw i absolutely love fluorescent diamonds as well! Your ring is stunning! I would love to find a pair of earrings with some blue but I highly doubt that I’ll be able to find a matching pair *cross fingers* with all the other specs that I would want.

Thank you so much again bunnycat!!

You can't go wrong with WF! Their in house stones are the A Cut Above and Expert Selection. They should already have all the light return info you need to view (ASET image). Double check their upgrade policy, but IIRC it is still one of the best there is.

I hope you'll post a pic when you decide! (And thank you!)
 
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Hi Ame! I’ve been following a lot of your advice through it the diamond threads and your input has been extremely valuable.

I am also on the lookout for diamond studs between 1.8 and 2ct (per ear).

I’ve been browsing through James Allen and Whiteflash, and wanted to ask how big the difference between an excellent cut vs ideal cut (hearts and arrows) is in real life. Wondering if it’s worth sacrificing a couple points (2 to 1.7 carats) per ear to upgrade to a hearts and arrow diamond. I would obviously love to get 4ctw per ear but also want to be mindful of the fire and sparkle factor for the stone as well.

Also any input on getting gia vs ags graded stone?

Thanks for your help!!
AGS actually grades cut, and accurately. GIA is working on it, but theirs ...sucks. I prefer AGS to GIA but if you're paying attention to the angles you can find a winner either way.

Also consider going down in color than you'd normally go for a ring, because they're on your head, and thus less likely to be as obviously warm if that bothers you.
 
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